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Right. They put the Jew in camps because they were capitalists.
Who cares what Mussolini thought? Who cares what Hitler thought? The fact is that Nazi Germany had a thriving privately owned industrial economy. Property stayed in private hands. Hitler was a manic who controlled every aspect of Germany, but he didn't nationalize property. That, by definition, is not socialist.
The fact is socialists have basically given up on pure socialism in favor of the fascist model where property is nominally in private hands but government has a heavy hand in the economy.
Hitler, on economic matters, was aligned with the left wing. Basically socialism in one country.
The hatred of the Jews was partially caused by the fact Jews owned many businesses and were doing economically better on a whole than the "superior" Aryans. It is no coincidence Hitler rose to power during a time of economic instability.
The fact is socialists have basically given up on pure socialism in favor of the fascist model where property is nominally in private hands but government has a heavy hand in the economy.
Hitler, on economic matters, was aligned with the left wing. Basically socialism in one country.
The hatred of the Jews was partially caused by the fact Jews owned many businesses and were doing economically better on a whole than the "superior" Aryans. It is no coincidence Hitler rose to power during a time of economic instability.
Have you ever read Mein Kampf? Yes, there were many successful Jews Hitler hated but it was far from the only reason, far from it. Germany was chock full of folks itching to throw jews out of Germany. Hitler played on it like no other for many reasons and excuses.
"Once in power Adolf Hitler turned Germany into a fascist state. Fascist was originally used to describe the government of Benito Mussolini in Italy. Mussolini's fascist one-party state emphasized patriotism, national unity, hatred of communism, admiration of military values and unquestioning obedience. Hitler was deeply influenced by Mussolini's Italy and his Germany shared many of the same characteristics.
The German economic system remained capitalistic but the state played a more prominent role in managing the economy. Industrialists were sometimes told what to produce and what price they should charge for the goods that they made. The government also had the power to order workers to move to where they were required."
By taking these powers Hitler's government was able to control factors such as inflation and unemployment that had caused considerable distress in previous years. As the government generally allowed companies to maintain their profit margins, industrialists tended to accept the loss of some of their freedoms."
Orwell was socialist, but was very anti-authoritarian in the same way libertarians are today. I think he'd be the type of leftist who libertarians can mostly agree with, outside of a few areas like economics.
With the chart, I think the problem is that people base their identity on being "left" liberal or "right" conservative, and if anyone makes a visualization where freedom is on one side and tyranny is on the other, they get offended that "their side" is tyranny.
The main thing to me is that you have individualism (respecting ALL individual rights with no exceptions) and collectivism (individual rights can be violated if it benefits a greater number of people). Whether those are on the left or right of the chart doesn't matter to me. That's why I like the first chart...it organizes the collectivists on one side and individualists on the other.
Ever hear of the National SOCIALIST Party? Yeah there are different flavors of SOCIALISTS, but socialists nonetheless.
North Korea calls themselves a democratic republic. In general, one can't trust dictatorships to label themselves as such. Disappointing, that.
Anyway, ever heard of what happened in Germany in late June 1934? Once the Nazis had gained power, the socialist wing of the party was excess to requirements and was purged - to the tune of 80-100 murders, notably those of Strasser and Roehm. That shut up anybody else who had ideas along the lines of socialism - Roehm had been arguing for a "Second Revolution" of an economic nature. The German industrialists and the Reichswehr were happily reassured that the new regime wouldn't be upsetting the apple cart.
A few years later, German factory owners (who inexplicably still owned and ran their factories, what with them living under a "socialist" regime) made little lists to the Wehrmacht of Eastern European factories they'd like taken intact, if the Army would be so kind.
The owners of the heavy German industry loved them some Hitler - enough that a few dozen of them got a ticket to Nuremberg after the war.
Here's Alfried Krupp:
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Because of the rivalries between the many political parties in Germany and the general disorder there was no opportunity for prosperity. ... We thought that Hitler would give us such a healthy environment. Indeed he did do that.
In short, there was no economic policy even resembling socialism in Germany after 1934. Hitler gave lip service to the idea to gain power, stamped it out to keep power.
Hitler put socialists in concentration camps. They were identified with a red triangle: Red triangle—political prisoners: social democrats, socialists, trade unionists, Freemasons, communists, and anarchists.
The only industry nationalized under Hitler were the railroads. Everything else stayed in private hands. The Nazis hated socialists, and their economy was very much capitalist.
Fascism, which Nazism is a part of, believes people should serve the state. The other ideologies don't.
That chart is a bit illogical. The Constitution outlines the powers (force) of government, yet it claims constitutional republicanism is a "no force" doctrine. Sorry, that doesn't make any sense. Limited force? Yes. No force? LMAO.
Correct, Hitler was a Fascist
Socializing all the Losses and Privatizing the Profits as is constantly done in this country is not socialism.
Obamacare for example is Fascism where the only thing that still matters is the CEO and Shareholder Pay.
The Insurance Industries wrote Obamacare and sit at the top of the lobby pyramid. They control the healthcare still with the Government Big Stick to do their bidding.
Bailing out the Big Wall Street Banks is not socialism but Fascism
Having DC full of Corporate and Banking Lobbyists is not socialism but Fascism.
What is proposed is not the nationalization of private corporations but rather a corporate takeover of government. The marriage of highly concentrated corporate power with an authoritarian state that services the politico-economic elite at the expense of the people is more accurately referred to as “financial fascism” [than socialism].
After all, even Hitler never nationalized the Mercedes-Benz company but rather entered into a very profitable partnership with the current car company’s corporate ancestor, which made out quite well until Hitler’s bubble burst.
And Italian historian Gaetano Salvemini argued in 1936 that fascism makes taxpayers responsible to private enterprise, because “the State pays for the blunders of private enterprise… Profit is private and individual. Loss is public and social” (page 416).
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David Rockefeller
The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.
What Rockefeller wishes for is Fascism where we all serve the corporate and banking elite that own the government
I see that the only really free people in the US are those that can afford to buy that freedom. If you have enough wealth (people producing things for your profit) you do not have to submit to a Boss or the government. If you have enough wealth you can actually influence the government to allow you to form business arrangements that amount to monopoly control over the markers. Control over markets and who benefits from the control is the essence of fascism (from fascia or bound together). We have managed to achieve this in our country where the biggest manufacturers and financiers are never allowed to fail not matter how bad their financial decisions happened to be. We also have a system where the manufacturers tell the military how many and what kind of weapons they will need based on the minimum needed to make the manufacturer's more profitable than companies building things for the open market.
Conservatives love this system because it facilitates their secret worship of the God of greed. This system allows the crony capitalism that reduces competition and increases profits. It ignores everyone that is not a part of the collectivized business community. This system is very efficiently concentrating wealth to the benefit of a corrupt few and the cost of everyone else.
I support the capitalism of the entrepreneur but not the capitalism of the politically connected and corrupted big anything. I also support the rights of the individual to control their own, and only their own, bodies. I find a government, church or society that tries to tell me what or who I can smoke, drink or have sex with to be intolerable. I am an adult individual and I am quite capable of making those decisions for myself.
I support the capitalism of the entrepreneur but not the capitalism of the politically connected and corrupted big anything. I also support the rights of the individual to control their own, and only their own, bodies. I find a government, church or society that tries to tell me what or who I can smoke, drink or have sex with to be intolerable. I am an adult individual and I am quite capable of making those decisions for myself.
Great Post
It is not Competition Based Capitalism when the Biggest Corporations and Banks own our government and get to write their own rules in order to kill off their competition. The Majority of Regulations being written today are by the Corporations themselves to kill off their competition.
What we have in this country is not the Government Nationalizing Corporations, but Corporations taking over our government in what is supposed to be a Government for all people.
In 1970 there were 200 Corporate and Banking Lobby Offices in DC.
In 2015, there are well over 2000 Corporate and Banking Lobby Offices in DC
That's all fine and dandy but if you don't accept that individuals make up a society, then you only understand half the story.
That's why its important to respect every individual's rights. When individual rights aren't respected universally, people in that society will suffer. The people in charge will decide whose rights matter more than others in the name of "the common good".
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