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Old 02-15-2015, 12:01 AM
 
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I wasn't talking about Hitler, but Nazism. It could apply to any belief, that responds to verbal attacks on doctrine, with violence.




Minds and power.
Exactly, it could apply to any belief, which is why I thought it strange to choose Nazism. There are many examples, recent and historical, of religious terrorism. That's where we should be looking for comparisons, not Nazism. Northern Ireland, circa 1980 certainly has more in common with today's middle east than Nazi Germany.
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Old 02-15-2015, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Exactly, it could apply to any belief, which is why I thought it strange to choose Nazism. There are many examples, recent and historical, of religious terrorism. That's where we should be looking for comparisons, not Nazism. Northern Ireland, circa 1980 certainly has more in common with today's middle east than Nazi Germany.
Completely different, Northern Ireland is just an issue of historical national identity. Religion defines the historical identity - you should read up on it sometime..

Brownshirts and these freaks in Copenhagen, are both acting to defend/promote the status quo of their belief.

The reason I choose Nazism, is because the brownshirts defended the faith with violence, to the point that resistance became a very dangerous option.

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Old 02-15-2015, 12:35 AM
 
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Completely different, Northern Ireland is just an issue of historical national identity. Religion defines the historical identity - you should read up on it sometime..

Brownshirts and these freaks in Copenhagen, are both acting to defend the status quo of their core belief.

The reason I choose Nazism, is because the brownshirts defended the faith with violence, to the point that resistance became a very dangerous option.
I don't disagree with you Joe, but last I checked, we have Arab allies helping us fight ISIS. I believe they are Muslims. If you want to fight Islam, be my guest, but I think there are wiser paths.
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Old 02-15-2015, 12:55 AM
 
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...I want a war on terror, not a holy war. That's what the jihadists want. Why would you want to give them that?
We aren't the only ones who get a vote on what kind of war it will be.

The Jihadists get a vote, too.

If they want holy war (and they do), then holy war it is at least as far as they are concerned.

If they win, then we're all dead meat whether or not we draw pictures of Mohammed.

I did draw a picture here (using little dashes) but realized that posting it would probably get me kicked off this site.
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Old 02-15-2015, 01:00 AM
 
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The difference between cowardice and common sense is only recognized if you have common sense. Seems "some" have none, and it all looks the same to them. Didn't know that did you?
It wasn't common sense for the Germans to oppose Hitler. For the Russians to oppose Stalin. For the Cambodians to oppose Pol Pot. For the North Koreans to oppose Kim Jung Un. For the Chinese to oppose Mao.

So they mostly didn't, and it worked out really well for them, didn't it?
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Old 02-15-2015, 01:04 AM
 
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...How religious violence compares to Hitler is beyond me.
the Jihadists want to create a world-wide Master Religion, just as Hitler wanted to create a Master Race.
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Old 02-15-2015, 01:25 AM
 
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Exactly, it could apply to any belief, which is why I thought it strange to choose Nazism. There are many examples, recent and historical, of religious terrorism. That's where we should be looking for comparisons, not Nazism. Northern Ireland, circa 1980 certainly has more in common with today's middle east than Nazi Germany.
No, it doesn't. The IRA wanted the British out of Northern Ireland so they could integrate it with the rest of Ireland. They had no expansionist tendencies beyond that, did not persecute those with opposing beliefs, and did not consider what they were doing to be a religious crusade. They wanted the British out of what they considered to be their homeland and nothing more than that.

The Nazis wanted to build a worldwide empire based on their ideology and persecuted political dissidents.

The radical Muslims want to build a worldwide caliphate based on their ideology and persecute religious dissidents. They share much in common with Nazis and nothing in common with the IRA beyond being terrorists.
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Old 02-15-2015, 04:28 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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So, I'm reading the news about the 2 attacks in Denmark yesterday and find the victims named but not the dead killer. Why?

"While the identity of the shooter was not released..."

Denmark attacks: Police kill gunman suspected in fatal shootings - CNN.com
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Old 02-15-2015, 04:34 AM
 
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It's one thing to make a crude joke in private but when a crude offensive cartoon is published in a public
newspaper where you know it will be seen by the local Muslim population in Denmark that
isn't much different than walking into a mosque and shouting obscenities about their god.

Either way its tasteless and crude.

David Letterman once made a joke about a Muslim beauty pageant where the female contestants were
all wearing burkas which was pretty funny. And guess what no Muslim ever tried to attack him for it.
It was a funny joke but it didn't cross the line into the obscene and vulgar.
No, it wasn't. It was a cartoon. Nobody should be targeted for death because they draw a cartoon.

And quite honestly, I couldn't possibly care less if it offended someone. Satirical cartoonist offend almost everyone at some point. That's their job.

I'm glad to hear the shooter was killed by the police. Free speech wins again.
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Old 02-15-2015, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Default Copenhagen shootings: Police kill 'gunman' after two attacks

Denmark has the oppressive gun laws that American leftists see as utopia. How can this possibly happen then??!!


BBC News - Copenhagen shootings: Police kill 'gunman' after two attacks
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