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Old 02-21-2015, 08:04 AM
 
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So...Am I paranoid and wrong? Or?
Yup.

The minimum wage is a catastrophe and always has been.
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Old 02-21-2015, 09:53 AM
 
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Apparently we live in a country where right wingers think making $31K a year is a high dollar wage that only those with lots of skills should be able to earn because it must still be 1980 inflation rates going on right now.
Or, you know, there are a lot of jobs that aren't viable at $15 minimum wage, including a number of starter positions that young people use as the first rung on their career, and there are a lot of skilled people making about ~18-20 an hour who would suffer disproportionately from the inflation and wage-compression this would cause. You can think a $15 minimum at the current time is a bad idea while also understanding that it is still a low wage for someone with material marketable skills.
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Old 02-21-2015, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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You can be both paranoid and wrong at the same time.
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Old 02-21-2015, 12:06 PM
 
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So...Am I paranoid and wrong? Or?
Propaganda.
And disinformation.

The minimum wage being raised benefits all.

Even those at the top. They just don't like it. And they don't like the way it benefits them.
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Old 02-21-2015, 12:26 PM
 
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There are many corporate lackeys, useful idiots, bots and straight paid shills; it's hard to differentiate...


But if someone is against improving the lives of their fellow American-they are one of the above.
You said it.
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Old 02-21-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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Minimum wage is irrelevant. Raise it to $50 an hour, my only request is you do it slowly so business's can adjust. You'll still only be able to buy what your labor is worth for one hour. The dollar represents the value of your labor, the value of your labor isn't going to change simply becsue you changed the dollar amount.
You got it.
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Old 02-21-2015, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Fuquay-Varina
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Maybe we should lower wages across the board to compete better with the rest of the developed world instead of raising them even further which is already leading to economic detriment here. Lower wages, costs of goods/services drop, and we can sell more product to countries while manufacturing them here. I would rather have a few billion customers than a few hundred million.
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Old 02-21-2015, 01:52 PM
 
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Maybe we should lower wages across the board to compete better with the rest of the developed world instead of raising them even further which is already leading to economic detriment here. Lower wages, costs of goods/services drop, and we can sell more product to countries while manufacturing them here. I would rather have a few billion customers than a few hundred million.
The biggest problem I see with your argument is that the debts we have wouldn't be downsized as well.

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Personal debt is closing in on $17 trillion. Downsizing our wages to meet their would make our debts far harder to repay. Upping their wages to meet our on the other hand would help everyone out.
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Old 02-21-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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Deja Vu.
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Old 02-21-2015, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Or, you know, there are a lot of jobs that aren't viable at $15 minimum wage, including a number of starter positions that young people use as the first rung on their career, and there are a lot of skilled people making about ~18-20 an hour who would suffer disproportionately from the inflation and wage-compression this would cause. You can think a $15 minimum at the current time is a bad idea while also understanding that it is still a low wage for someone with material marketable skills.
The problem is the inflation has already happened, the wages, especially at the low end, have not kept up with that inflation. That is why we see people trying to say $31K a year is too much for an entry level position to be making.

In reality, today's inflation, a full time minimum wage job should pay $24K a year. That would put the federal minimum wage at $12/hr.
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