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Old 02-28-2015, 04:52 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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This doesn't have anything to do with overall ISP speeds. It prevents ISPs from throttling individual websites unless those sites cough up extra money.

Do people really not understand the basis of this rule?
Clearly that is the case.

Thank you for your excellent series of comments on the topic. Only wish I could rep each one of them.
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Old 02-28-2015, 04:55 AM
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Location: Florida
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This doesn't have anything to do with overall ISP speeds. It prevents ISPs from throttling individual websites unless those sites cough up extra money.
While that's true, that's not the prevailing operational impact. Rather, the prevailing operational impact will be to prevent ISPs from providing premium treatment for traffic from certain services, as they have been doing recently. That will result in lower quality for resource-hogging services during peak usage times.
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Old 02-28-2015, 05:00 AM
Status: "We need America back!" (set 3 days ago)
 
Location: Suburban Dallas
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Awesome!!! Now what are the detractors going to say now?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/27/te...t-utility.html
It's nothing more than government control. Your precious "president" just wants to start monitoring all of us and censor people he doesn't agree with. And there really is no "net neutrality".
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Old 02-28-2015, 05:14 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Attitudes like these are the exact reason why the US is lagging behind so many nations technologically, and in other ways. Oh it's good enough, I'm happy with what I have. It's not all about you. Just because you're happy with your second-rate service doesn't mean the rest of us are. You have no idea how much Americans get hosed by their ISP and mobile provider compared to the rest of the developed world, because you've never been out of the US or have bothered to do any research into what other countries are like . It's either that, or you're a lobbyist on the ISP side. Not unheard of, right before the ruling came, technology magazines and websites have been getting trolled by the anti-net neutrality online army, no doubt most of them were being paid to spread propaganda
We're not "lagging." Who created the Internet? We did. Americans. And from what I have heard, our Internet services are superior to any other country (speed, etc.) Some critics have said that under "Net Neutrality," that isn't likely to remain so. That would truly be sad.

I think your problem with this stems from the fact that you think you are entitled to something for nothing. Not many years ago, we didn't have cell phones, and all these fancy gadgets. They came about because of the innovation of private companies, who then built the infrastructure, at there expense, to support them. Cell towers began popping up to expand the reach of these phones. The government did not build these towers. Why do you think you are entitled to have this new technology for a mere pittance? Why do you think a company should not make a profit from their innovations, and recover their costs?

But you are like every other Liberal out there. You think you deserve all this new innovation that improves lives, because you think it's a "right." But I'm here to tell you, you have no right to that which someone else developed, paid for, built the infrastructure for, ran cables along roadways, built cell towers, etc., etc., to support it, so that the product was marketable.

I watched with my own eyes as a new cable TV/Internet provider strung cable along our road out front, and along the roads all around the surrounding area, hung signs from them where they crossed intersections, giving the company name and phone number to call for service. His trucks did not say, "U.S. Government Internet Service." They said, "Breyer Cable."

A couple of years later, they were bought by one of the larger and well known providers, who is now my Internet provider, Armstrong.

By the way, I have been out of the U.S. many times. Not only was I in the U.S. Navy, in later years, I traveled both as a field service technician, and in a marketing/sales capacity for a southern California oceanographic instruments/underwater TV manufacturer, with representatives world wide. I've been to Europe, Scotland (Aberdeen), went out on a small boat on the North Sea to watch the deployment of our instruments with our Belgian Rep, I've been to Japan, Hong Kong, the Pilippines, Taiwan and Okinawa.

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Old 02-28-2015, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Mountain Home, ID
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I swear...

If the government issued a proclamation that said "Oxygen is good for you" half the people posting in this thread would deny it and hold their breath until they passed out.
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Old 02-28-2015, 05:31 AM
Status: "We need America back!" (set 3 days ago)
 
Location: Suburban Dallas
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Because net neutrality does the opposite of what you are suggesting? That makes no sense why any right winger would support letting companies control their internet speed and access to the internet.
Corporations don't necessarily have to control anything, but your precious "president" is clearly trying to in order to befit his demented and sick agenda.
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Old 02-28-2015, 05:36 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Oh, and by the way, who gave us the iPhone? Apple Computer. Not some European socialist country, nor was it Sony or Samsung. They were followers. Now, tell me again how the "US is lagging."

In fact, Steve Jobs went to Corning in New York to have them develop the special glass that he needed for the iPhone, which Corning did. He didn't go to any European glass maker.

Where do you people come up with this stuff? smh Daily Kos? Southern Poverty Law Center? (Think Progress) smh
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Old 02-28-2015, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Mountain Home, ID
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You know, that would be fine with me. The poor should be able to have access to the same things other people do.
The really stupid thing about the "poor people shouldn't have free internet" line is poor people in populated areas usually do have access to free WiFi from schools, libraries and a lot of private businesses. There's WiFi hotspots everywhere in most cities.

It's the (mostly conservative) poor folks who live in the rural areas who are stuck with no free internet.
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Old 02-28-2015, 05:41 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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This. It seems people are more prone to provincialism on the right than the left for whatever reason.
Oh, bull! This is Obama propaganda, who has said he has always disliked the suburbs (and clearly the country). Obama is a city dweller, a street thug, and knows nothing about people outside that environment. he doesn't understand them; so, he makes stuff up about them.


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Our speeds are pretty mediocre globally.
That's not what I've been hearing. Where are you getting that from?

According to Wikipedia, World Average speed is 3.8Mbps. My current speed is 16.64Mbps (just measured it).

Wiki lists U.S. as 10.5Mbps, but that is an average. Much depends on where you live, your specific provider, and even how far your house is from where you connect to the cable, and whether you have a direct connection or wireless (wireless will be slower).

Belgium - 10.0Mbps
UK - 9.9Mbps
Denmark - 10.5Mbps
Norway - 10.1Mbps
Netherlands - 10.4Mbps

Fastest is South Korea with 23.4Mbps

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Old 02-28-2015, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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So how does this policy effect my conversations on City-Data or arranging travel on Google or looking up stuff on Wikki?
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