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Old 03-26-2015, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Simple question: should felons have voting rights.

As of right now, only two states (Maine and Vermont) have no restrictions on felon voting rights; as in an inmate may vote via absentee ballot. Thirteen states (plus D.C.) restore voting rights once an inmate is released from prison. Four states restore after parole, and nineteen include probation in felon disenfranchisement. The remaining twelve states have various laws. Arizona, for example, disenfranchise felons if it's a second offense. Nevada does not disenfranchise voters for first time, non-violent offenses. Iowa permanently disenfranchise felons, however you can get the governor to return voting rights back through a rather tedious and lengthy process.

So I ask, which group of states does it right?

Personally, I'm skeptical of any law that prohibits a certain group from voting. I think Maine and Vermont have it right. I see no reason why a prisoner can't vote. With that said, certain liberties (though not all) can be reasonably suspended while in prison. So while I think felon disenfranchisement is nothing but a political game to exclude a group of people from the voting process (fewer people to win over means fewer potential voters for the opposing party), I do think some restrictions can be justified, though I do not believe that any person, once released from prison, should be permanently banned from voting. It contradicts what most people claim are American values. A person who has paid their debt to society deserve the opportunity to have their full rights returned to them. I sincerely do not care what the crime was. Murder, being the worst crime (in my opinion, is wrong, but frankly, if a former murderer has paid their debt to society, I can think of no reason (aside from our not so Christian, and really not so American, love of punishing people) that they cannot vote. Committing a crime, no matter how serious, should have no impact on a person's ability or inability to vote.

This site has some interesting information regrind the topic. Most notably addressing the common arguments in favor of felon disenfranchisement having no basis in actual fact.
Why Should Felons Vote?

So, what do you all think?
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Old 03-26-2015, 05:06 PM
 
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Felons are also human beings if they paid society for their crimes then they should not loose their rights to vote
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Old 03-26-2015, 05:08 PM
 
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Yeah I dont really see the point of denying them, since an overwhelmingly number of candidates are criminal in nature.
Actually rather hypocritical to deny them.
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Old 03-26-2015, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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yes they should.
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Old 03-26-2015, 05:21 PM
 
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Yes, they should.
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Old 03-26-2015, 05:25 PM
 
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no, i feel they knew they would loose the right to vote before they committed the crime, they should loose them for life, no matter if they serve their punishment , should loose the right to own guns too for life. I would make the punishment so harsh they would think about it before the crime. they knew about it before, so why give in, they did the crime.
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Old 03-26-2015, 05:35 PM
 
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Criminals have no right to vote.

Period.

As for those two states, they can vote in state and local elections. Not federal elections.

Edited to add. Felons in prison and on parole can't vote. Once all that has cleared up, depending on the state, they can vote.

So there is no disenfranchisement going on.

Much ado about nothing.

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Old 03-26-2015, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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no, i feel they knew they would loose the right to vote before they committed the crime, they should loose them for life, no matter if they serve their punishment , should loose the right to own guns too for life. I would make the punishment so harsh they would think about it before the crime. they knew about it before, so why give in, they did the crime.
There's more to the justice system than just punishment. This is one of my biggest issues with our justice system. We constantly talk about public safety and feel punishment is the best way to ensure this, yet ignore the other aspects of criminal justice, rehabilitation and prevention, that arguably are much more closely tied to public safety.

In the link I posted, it showed that ex-felons who voted were much less likely to commit another crime. The results were consistent across race, age, and conviction. The study was done in Minnesota, a state the restores voting rights after the punishment is complete (includes probation).

If we do care about public safety, we need to stop basing our opinions on assumptions or fear and instead on studies that show us what works. The only way to do this is to get the public thinking; this will pressure congress to do something I don't think it's ever been asked to do: think! If restoring voting rights will positively impact crime rates and public safety, I can't think of a sensible reason to not do it.

I also feel the need to point out the foolishness of your logic. They knew the consequences before hand? If that's how it worked, crime rates would be lower. Crime is a complicated issue. Simplifying it to such a basic degree is a logic that cannot be used if we want to actually improve the conditions of our very clearly deteriorating justice system.
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Old 03-26-2015, 05:45 PM
 
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no, i feel they knew they would loose the right to vote before they committed the crime, they should loose them for life, no matter if they serve their punishment , should loose the right to own guns too for life. I would make the punishment so harsh they would think about it before the crime. they knew about it before, so why give in, they did the crime.
Irrational anger. They committed a crime and served their time. Get over it.

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Criminals have no right to vote.
Felony disenfranchisement is unconstitutional.
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Old 03-26-2015, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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Irrational anger. They committed a crime and served their time. Get over it.
I know, right? It's not like they have a history of making terrible decisions.
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