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Indeed it is. However, I was responding to someone's tirade about SNAP. See quoted text in my post.
IMO, it's a crime to limit ATM transactions to $25/day with an eighty-five cent fee each transaction. And, like someone else posted upthread, I haven't seen an ATM that dispensed in $5 increments in years.
One can use their EBT card to make a direct purchase.
The ATM fees have to do with them wanting CASH.
And from reports the biggest cash withdrawals on these cards are coming from cash advance and payday loan places followed by casinos and smoke shops.
Quote from AnywhereElse: As a resident of Kansas and a mother of an adult with developmental disabilities who is seeing cuts for her child, I am glad they are looking to stop the cheaters. We have a lot of them. They need to go through the welfare system and clean house. I am tired of the anchor babies and deadbeat drug users running up OUR taxes. We get little for all the taxes we pay. Wages are low and that is what KS is all about, big business. The day we start e-verifying for every job, KS will start to turn around but until then, it is hopeless.
That's part of the 'financial issues' I was referring to. I have no problem with eliminating fraud/waste in government programs and that should be done across the board. But that's not going to come close to fixing our budget problems. The Gov. & lawmakers have cut taxes on businesses & the wealthy, thinking that doing so will boost our economy enough to make up for it & keep us in the red. Hasn't happened & likely will not. Their answer to the inevitable revenue shortfalls is to make huge cuts in state spending everywhere, and shift the tax burden onto those that can least afford it.
They are obviously not truly poor and that is obviously not their real income, unless they have hidden assets.
There are lots of people who apply for and get benefits by lying about their income. They are often people who are paid "under the table" or barter or have undisclosed assets. It's not fair to hard-working people who pay their taxes, which includes paying for some who cheat the system that was intended to assist the truly poor TEMPORARILY, until they got back on their feet.
You are precisely correct.
Landlords in a group I belong to routinely tell tales of people who apply for apartments whose income mostly comes from under-the-table work. (They're typically rejected, BTW; landlords need to see income that can be garnished if necessary.)
That ultraconservative rag, the Los Angeles Times, found this:
Republicans strike again, wanting to control every aspect of your life.
Elected representatives have a fiduciary responsibility to the people to see that money is spent on things it was intended for.
I know the phrase "fiduciary responsibility" is probably confusing.
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Originally Posted by flyonpa
It a "Class" of ATM's Each ATM has a location type in its locator info, So they are turning it off to that "Class" of ATM.
The bill list the places and a catch-all of anyplace people under 18 are not allowed.
The $25/per transaction/day is a silly rule, That would "eat up" 10% or more of each transaction, 85c State Fee after 1st transaction, and $2-3 if "foreign" bank ATM. Also how many ATM do you know that spit out Five Dollar Bills?
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Originally Posted by Not_liking_FL
This is correct. I read that they can only withdraw $25 a day with an $.85 processing fee, so they are getting hit with even more fees.
No one likes seeing welfare abuse, but these new laws only hurt the poor. How in the hell is someone from landlocked Kansas with a $429 dollar a month income going to go on a cruise anyway? Are they going to buy a plane ticket on top of their cruise ticket? This is really ridiculous. It's just another way these far right conservative politicians can get their ignorant constituents fired up.
Here are the locations the cash card may not be used:
"No TANF cash assistance shall be used in any retail liquor store, casino, gaming establishment, jewelry store, tattoo parlor, massage parlor, body piercing parlor, spa, nail salon, lingerie shop, tobacco paraphernalia store, vapor cigarette store, psychic or fortune telling business, bail bond company, video arcade, movie theater, swimming pool, cruise ship, theme park, dog or horse racing facility, parimutuel facility, or sexually oriented business or any retail establishment which provides adult-oriented entertainment in which performers disrobe or perform in an unclothed state for entertainment, or in any business or retail establishment where minors under age 18 are not permitted. "
My guess is that they included anyplace where they had seen transactions popping up. I know it has been an issue in CA that many of these cards were used in strip clubs.
These cards are supposed to be used for necessary living expenses.
ATMs are not the only place you can get cash. You can get cash back from any number of stores and I don't see restrictions on cash back, maybe that was an oversight. But I do get the desire to not allow someone to drain the card the first day they get it.
Perhaps you need to learn to budget better if you would have to really struggle to live on over $51,000 a year.
A family of four struggles on $51,000 a year in many CA counties and cities.
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Originally Posted by KaaBoom
Why do you care what he is buying with his EBT card? Do you really have nothing better to do with you life than to keep tabs on what people are buying with their EBT cards?
Corporations are receiving billions of dollars in corporate welfare that they don't even need, and you are worried about one guy buying a bag of chips with his EBT card. Seriously worry about your own life and stop trying to control what other people are doing with theirs.
Why do I care? It is public money.
Corporations are getting billions? Great, start your own topic, this is about KS.
There is no correlation being abuse in the welfare system and abuse in other areas. Both are wrong and one should not be justified because, "well he is doing it".
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Originally Posted by stormynh
Well that makes sense to me although I'm wondering if this has been a huge problem?
If you look at the list I provided earlier, I think it is safe to say that those were all locations where abuse was detected.
One can use their EBT card to make a direct purchase.
The ATM fees have to do with them wanting CASH.
And from reports the biggest cash withdrawals on these cards are coming from cash advance and payday loan places followed by casinos and smoke shops.
Yep, I know. Those payday loan places and cash advance places are the biggest predators of the poor. Also, they are places where you can pay your utility bills with cash. It's not necessarily an abuse to withdraw cash at those. The other places, well, it's a poor use of funds, to be sure.
Yep, I know. Those payday loan places and cash advance places are the biggest predators of the poor. Also, they are places where you can pay your utility bills with cash. It's not necessarily an abuse to withdraw cash at those. The other places, well, it's a poor use of funds, to be sure.
Almost all supermarkets allow you to pay your utilities at the customer service desk and use your EBT card directly.
And the welfare offices have lists of ATMs with no fees.
The point is that they did study their data before they made this ruling.
Cash was being taken out at questionable places.
The same data appears in other states as well only Kansas is acting on it.
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