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I agree with you. One theory of crime and punishment supports what you say also. The length of punishment they found was less a deterrent than the certainty of punishment.
Young people who may see themselves as having no future are not likely to be concerned about a decision that will impact that future. Public policy that can capture them and show them a way to a better future is worth the effort in some communities.
Yes, lets continue to throw more and more money at the problem. If that doesn't work, we can just throw more money. Inner cities are a blackhole of money.
Nine out of ten business fail. People dump a lot of money into them and they fail, but that doesn't stop people from trying to succeed.
Along with the same reasoning we dumped Billions in Iraq and Afghanistan and are getting the same result as Baltimore.
A lot of money and a bad plan no matter how good the intention will not guarantee success.
Some cities are paying out more than that in settlements of police mismanagement.
Why not look at what is working in other cities and adopt a well thought out approach. Governors, and mayors meet and supposedly discuss those issues or maybe they say they do and live it up for a few days on the public tab.
People dump their OWN money into businesses, or they receive loans which in theory are supposed to be paid back. Banks won't keep loaning money to incompetent people and businesses. What really needs to happen is the inner cities need to be cut off the teat altogether. We've been waging a "war on poverty" for decades now and all we've gotten is poorer and less free. The thugs who were looting and rioting are all probably on the public dole so I would cut them off. Perhaps pull the cops out to set up a perimeter around civilization and the war zone in Baltimore. They want freedom from "white oppression" then I would give it them, good and hard. They are ungrateful children who don't realize that they live at the behest of everyone else. They wouldn't live a single day if not for the infrastructure, school, roads, police, welfare, etc. that everyone else pays for. Taxpayers have lost billions throwing money at cities that more closely resemble 3rd world failed states than America, and your grand idea is to throw more money at the problem and hope that it turns out okay.
I do agree that Baltimore shares a lot in common with Iraq and Afghanistan.
Agreed. Where is the Governor on this problem ? It's happening in his state. What solution is he offering ? Did they elect the most intelligent and virtuous mayor ? I didn't follow the election. No question she is making mistakes. I don't agree with what she has done. I don't agree with the leadership of Baltimore at all. I don't excuse any of them including the police commissioner. I think they have all been promoted one level above their highest level of incompetence.
Maryland's had Dem Governors for all but four years since 1969, including since the nearly $ 2 billion in stimulus funds for Baltimore, until Hogan took office this year. The legislature is D-controlled.
It took decades of D policy disaster to degrade Baltimore.
People dump their OWN money into businesses, or they receive loans which in theory are supposed to be paid back. Banks won't keep loaning money to incompetent people and businesses. What really needs to happen is the inner cities need to be cut off the teat altogether. We've been waging a "war on poverty" for decades now and all we've gotten is poorer and less free. The thugs who were looting and rioting are all probably on the public dole so I would cut them off. Perhaps pull the cops out to set up a perimeter around civilization and the war zone in Baltimore. They want freedom from "white oppression" then I would give it them, good and hard. They are ungrateful children who don't realize that they live at the behest of everyone else. They wouldn't live a single day if not for the infrastructure, school, roads, police, welfare, etc. that everyone else pays for. Taxpayers have lost billions throwing money at cities that more closely resemble 3rd world failed states than America, and your grand idea is to throw more money at the problem and hope that it turns out okay.
I do agree that Baltimore shares a lot in common with Iraq and Afghanistan.
Baltimore has nothing to do with Iraq or Afghanistan. Baltimore has some very nice area's, this city is not a map on Call of Duty.
Maryland's had Dem Governors for all but four years since 1969, including since the nearly $ 2 billion in stimulus funds for Baltimore, until Hogan took office this year. The legislature is D-controlled.
It took decades of D policy disaster to degrade Baltimore.
A former mayor of Baltimore and Gov. of Maryland just threw his hat in the ring for president. Can we assume he isn't going to get your vote ?
People dump their OWN money into businesses, or they receive loans which in theory are supposed to be paid back. Banks won't keep loaning money to incompetent people and businesses. What really needs to happen is the inner cities need to be cut off the teat altogether. We've been waging a "war on poverty" for decades now and all we've gotten is poorer and less free. The thugs who were looting and rioting are all probably on the public dole so I would cut them off. Perhaps pull the cops out to set up a perimeter around civilization and the war zone in Baltimore. They want freedom from "white oppression" then I would give it them, good and hard. They are ungrateful children who don't realize that they live at the behest of everyone else. They wouldn't live a single day if not for the infrastructure, school, roads, police, welfare, etc. that everyone else pays for. Taxpayers have lost billions throwing money at cities that more closely resemble 3rd world failed states than America, and your grand idea is to throw more money at the problem and hope that it turns out okay.
I do agree that Baltimore shares a lot in common with Iraq and Afghanistan.
OK, so it is time to throw in the towel. Would you support a reservation approach ? Like we did with Native Americans in the 1800's. If they could get funding on their own could they put up a casino ? Or will you do it more like the Warsaw Ghetto of Nazi Germany ?
Perhaps the Japanese model that took place in Shanghai is more the style your after. Is the perimeter to keep them in or others out ? Help us out with some details so we see how you have thought it all through.
You are aware of how few true deterrent sentences are passed down, correct? Defendants plea bargain and get suspended sentences. Others are prosecuted by poor DAs. Too many have inadmissible evidence against them.
What it comes down to is no true deterrents. No more breaking rocks in the hot sun, no more road crews, nothing of real punishment. No. it's 3 hots and a cot, free medical and dental care, free TV, college, internet and gym time. What's to hate about 18 weeks at club prison? you get to make new friends and network so you have new homies when you get out.
No deterrents = perceived entitlement to disobey the law.
Watch video of the criminals and decide for yourself; do they seem concerned with being apprehended and paying consequences for their illegal actions?
No, it would be racist to do so against them. White liberals will ensure so.
According to most criminologists punishment has a deterrent effect when it is certain and when it is applied swiftly. Harsher jail conditions or longer sentences have never proven to have a deterrent effect. Criminal thinking is generally a pattern of believing that goes something like this "I won't get caught, and even if I do, I will get off" Offenders almost never consider the severity of the punishment before they commit a crime and what's interesting is, most of them aren't even aware of the potential sentence.
OK, so it is time to throw in the towel. Would you support a reservation approach ? Like we did with Native Americans in the 1800's. If they could get funding on their own could they put up a casino ? Or will you do it more like the Warsaw Ghetto of Nazi Germany ?
Perhaps the Japanese model that took place in Shanghai is more the style your after. Is the perimeter to keep them in or others out ? Help us out with some details so we see how you have thought it all through.
IMHO the Black "hood rat" thing WILL be gone in a few years. Why I say that the young dudes have NO idea how BAD Jim Crow was 50 years ago. Kinda like the crack wars of 30 years ago; the younger Black people say hell NO to crack, many of the Black kids born after about 2000 WILL think what their older "bros" were doing was flat stupid.
Another thing that would help is to cut off welfare for the Black females after their 1st kid. THAT would get their attention real quick like as in NO more gravy train by being breeders. Hell, that'd work with the rest of the women of other "races" scamming the system.
According to most criminologists punishment has a deterrent effect when it is certain and when it is applied swiftly. Harsher jail conditions or longer sentences have never proven to have a deterrent effect. Criminal thinking is generally a pattern of believing that goes something like this "I won't get caught, and even if I do, I will get off" Offenders almost never consider the severity of the punishment before they commit a crime and what's interesting is, most of them aren't even aware of the potential sentence.
The misplaced thought is to think of prison as either a deterrent or punishment. Prison doesn't exist for the good of criminals, but for the good of society. It is a place to secure animals that prey on innocent people in society. We need to do away with our soft-on-crime criminal justice system that refuses to put anyone in jail until they have a rap sheet a mile long and for a meaningful time. If we lock up criminals the first time they are caught, it keeps them from preying on innocent victims. Lock up someone at 15, maybe by the time they are 25 they will be mature enough to try something other than a life of crime.
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