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Old 06-05-2015, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Did any of you bother to click on the link to examine the support for this claim?

The link is not even an article. It is akin to a message board post on a some obscure website.

There does not appear to be any actual support for the claim made in the OP at all, and yet many of you just swallow this garbage hook, line and sinker, rod and reel, without a second thought, or even a first thought for that matter.

Come on people, pull your heads out.
You think Reuters is a message board on some obscure site ?
I clicked on the reference link in the article and got Reuters.

The most truthful news you'll probably ever read won't be on the big MSM sites.



Reuters Investigates - UNACCOUNTABLE: The Pentagon's bad bookkeeping
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Old 06-05-2015, 08:09 AM
 
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You think Reuters is a message board on some obscure site ?
I clicked on the reference link in the article and got Reuters.

The most truthful news you'll probably ever read won't be on the big MSM sites.



Reuters Investigates - UNACCOUNTABLE: The Pentagon's bad bookkeeping
Pardon me. My NoScript settings were blocking javascript on the "Crooks and Liars" website and they apparently publish their articles in a way so they do not show up nearly at all without javascript activated. This is an unusual configuration for an information-oriented, current events website. As a result, the Reuters link and the vast majority of the article was not visible.

The article published by Reuters claims well into the article (not as a headline or a main theme) that this 8.7 Trillion amount has not been "accounted" for. This is not correct. In fact, this is an incorrect use of the term "accounted," which is a modified term for accounting or accounts. The DOD does have accounting systems and accounts, and the expenditures have in fact been "accounted" for.

In fact, these accounts apparently have not been "Audited," which is something quite different.

Have you followed the debate over whether the Federal Reserve should be audited, as it apparently has not been? Does it follow that the expenditures of the Federal Reserve have not been "accounted" for? In fact, they have been accounted for, although they are not publicly disclosed.

Don't get me wrong, I would like to see both of these agencies audited, with their expenditures thoroughly vetted and any improprieties pursued to the fullest extent of the law.

The moral of this story: Just because someone is a journalist, it does not automatically follow that what they are telling you is correct, or that the said journalist knows what they are talking about.
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Old 06-05-2015, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Pardon me. My NoScript settings were blocking javascript on the "Crooks and Liars" website and they apparently publish their articles in a way so they do not show up nearly at all without javascript activated. This is an unusual configuration for an information-oriented, current events website. As a result, the Reuters link and the vast majority of the article was not visible.

The article published by Reuters claims well into the article (not as a headline or a main theme) that this 8.7 Trillion amount has not been "accounted" for. This is not correct. In fact, this is an incorrect use of the term "accounted," which is a modified term for accounting or accounts. The DOD does have accounting systems and accounts, and the expenditures have in fact been "accounted" for.

In fact, these accounts apparently have not been "Audited," which is something quite different.

Have you followed the debate over whether the Federal Reserve should be audited, as it apparently has not been? Does it follow that the expenditures of the Federal Reserve have not been "accounted" for? In fact, they have been accounted for, although they are not publicly disclosed.

Don't get me wrong, I would like to see both of these agencies audited, with their expenditures thoroughly vetted and any improprieties pursued to the fullest extent of the law.

The moral of this story: Just because someone is a journalist, it does not automatically follow that what they are telling you is correct, or that the said journalist knows what they are talking about.
Yeah, that will do it.

Actually lots of money has been lost. I think the USG sending cash over there was done on purpose so it could be lost. We don't punish people for lost money. Cash money leaves no paper trail.

The Fed Reserve has not really been audited in the true sense of the word. It's a paper audit where they take your word for it.
There has not been a physical audit in decades upon decades.

The last full physical audit of Ft Knox was in 1953. It's been paper audits since then with a cursory audit in the 1970's to inspect the seals on the doors.
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Old 06-05-2015, 09:14 AM
 
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what everyone always seems to forget is how to fund black programs without letting our enemies and allies know what we are up to. the easy way to do that is to "lose" money in the system, overpay for things like hammers and toilet seats, etc. then this money gets funneled to secret aircraft development, running area 51, reimbursing defense contractors that had to "pay fines" for overcharging the government, funding green and black ops, etc. the money isnt gone, its been sent to fund various secret and top secret programs, and pay bribes to other countries.
Secrecy and National Security demands this.

A relatively small amount of secrecy spent here, and we could have bagged OBL way back when:

http://www.amazon.com/Jawbreaker-Al-.../dp/0307351068
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Old 06-05-2015, 09:15 AM
 
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The last full physical audit of Ft Knox was in 1953. It's been paper audits since then with a cursory audit in the 1970's to inspect the seals on the doors.
We will and should never know the real details of Fort Know because of secrecy and national security.
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Old 06-05-2015, 09:18 AM
 
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We will and should never know the real details of Fort Know because of secrecy and national security.
There's no national security involved in counting gold bars.

I think we all know what's in Ft Knox.


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Old 06-05-2015, 09:32 AM
 
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There's no national security involved in counting gold bars.

I think we all know what's in Ft Knox.

Who and why?

Who do you rely on for this information?

Why would you want the rest of the world to have this information?

Do you like pictures of a mound of gold bars, without knowing if you are looking at a charade, with base metal or plaster in the core of the mound?

Or how many of the gold bars are veneer, with tungsten or other base metal inside?

And then how do you know whose gold is being looked at? We (probably) hold gold for other entities and nations.
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Old 06-05-2015, 10:37 AM
 
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We are spending more now in post peace time than we did during the cold war

That is what happens when the MIC owns our government




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Old 06-05-2015, 11:57 AM
 
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Secrecy and National Security demands this.

A relatively small amount of secrecy spent here, and we could have bagged OBL way back when:

Jawbreaker: The Attack on Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda: A Personal Account by the CIA's Key Field Commander: Gary Berntsen, Ralph Pezzullo: 9780307351067: Amazon.com: Books
And if you look past your nose...OBL and assorted terrorist groups would have leave/left us alone if we didnt meddle in the internal affairs (both covertly and overtly) of their countries.
You and others seem to be under the impression of because its done in secret, it must be in your best interests.
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Old 06-05-2015, 12:12 PM
 
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And if you look past your nose...OBL and assorted terrorist groups would have leave/left us alone if we didnt meddle in the internal affairs (both covertly and overtly) of their countries.
You and others seem to be under the impression of because its done in secret, it must be in your best interests.
I have long since agreed with both your comments.

However after the 9/11 fact, the US had 'new' enemies. A faster dispatch of OBL would have been cheaper, more efficient, and might have averted other future US military nonsense.
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