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CLEARLY this is not a racial issue, or should any recent events shade the comments regarding this sick story. Does anyone have any compassion for the girl whose life is ruined? smh
The police should never hold back from enforcing the law, without law of course crime will spike and people will do whatever they please! This is disgusting, along with many things coming out of Baltimore.
So black lives matter huh? Where's Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?
I agree, where is Jackson and Sharpton on this?
I live just outside of Baltimore (outside of Oldhag1, I wonder where the rest of those posting in this forum live?), and yes, since Grey, not only has the Baltimore PD been reluctant to do their job for what ever reason, violent crimes have gone through the roof.
The thing is, though, that this is Baltimore: sadly this type of incident likely would have happened without "black lives matter", Ferguson, et al. What is also interesting is that you rarely heard "Bloods" mentioned in news relating to Baltimore crime; in the past it was simply "suspected gang member" for the most part. Now, since Grey, specific gang affiliation is being reported on with more frequency.
My guess is that nearly all participating in this thread have no knowledge of this, but Baltimore is simultaneously the most awesome city in the U.S. and the most screwed up. Nearly all violent crime is black-on-black, yes sadly that is true, but to add, of those crimes over 90% are thug-on-thug. Unlike West Coast gangs, Baltimore/East Coast gangs don't go to war with other just because. Remove heroin and violent crime in Baltimore would drop to the, if not below, the national average. I believe that the current trend in reportage relating to gang affiliation is an attempt to show this whereas in the past the approach was more of a blind eye.
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Originally Posted by ditchlights
There should be a lot people who are discussing here, like how the black on black violence problem is out of control. Unfortunately, many would rather shift the focus onto whites and law enforcement in general.
What's going on in Baltimore currently is an experiment of sorts. LE has stepped back a little to let the inmates run the asylum. I'd say this is very newsworthy. Liberals may disagree.
Baltimore is the city where blockbusting was invented. For those not aware, blockbusting was the practice of white investors brining in black families to white blocks in order to "force out" the white families. The white investors then bought the homes from those white owners for pennies on the dollar and wala, the contractors/developers now owned entire blocks upon blocks, that through social engineering, they were able to acquire legally for cheap. Even eminent domain does not have that much power (kinda funny that the NIMBYs fight tough and nail over a proposed freeway but blacks moving into the neighborhood in the 1940s was all it took to get them to move out without any fuss).
It should also be noted that during Baltimore's white-flight it was not just the whites that left; middle-class on up blacks and other races/ethnicities who could afford to leave Baltimore did so as well.
Currently, Baltimore is containment in my opinion. Any effort to extend any sort of transportation, heck even bike paths, outside of Baltimore City limits is quickly shut down by the NIMBYs. Their reasoning: it would make it easier for criminals to access these "new" areas. If it were not for Camden Yards and M&T Stadium, not only would the lite rail likely not extend beyond city limits it probably would have never been built in the first place.
For your comments asking "where are the Liberals on this", well, just visit the Baltimore and Maryland forums for your answers. You need to do so with an open mind as you will see that Dem =/= Liberal around here as Maryland's Bluest areas (Baltimore City, Montgomery County, and Prince George's County. It should also be known that Baltimore is unincorporated as it is not a part of Baltimore County despite being within it) are also some of the Country's most segregated.
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Will there ever be a day on City Data forum where posters create threads based on the crime alone, without having to resort to other things like race just to 'prove' their usual arguments about how the 'liberal' media is biased against black on white crime and the sort?
The crime mentioned in the OP is heinous enough to comment on and has nothing to do with race.
The crime mentioned in the OP should stand as its own horrendous act, as with most crime, but as we all know the answer to your question is definitely "no".
As for "white lives matter"... ...sure they do and I don't think anyone is arguing they do not. The thing is that whites are the majority across the U.S. with the total African-American population being something close to just shy of 13%. In the most diverse State in the Union, California, it is only ~7%. While there are certainly demographics within the white population that are marginalized the bottom line is that they can blend into the larger population with little resistance. For example, a white person from a trailer park can go to a thrift store, find a decent pair of shoes, tie, and suit, then hangout downtown and be treated with respect for the most part. In fact, experiments have shown that a white person in a suit and tie pulling the "my car ran out of gas..." routine are not only likely to receive more donations but also larger single lump sums ($20 bills instead of pocket change). Unfortunately to most, a black person in a suit and tie is still a black person regardless of socioeconomic status.
Baltimore has really gotten out of hand recently, so much so that even if it went back to "normal" that would be quite a good thing by comparison.
Right? White communities are failing White people. Whites need to be standing up and taking a stand against violence in White communities. Whites will only listen to other Whites, so why, like you said, aren't White celebs speaking up? :\
Exactly, why are white people mad that blacks speak up against police brutality? White people have also been subject to unfair police violence. There is a case going on now where I currently live where a white guy was murdered unfairly by a cop and the cop has been indicted. It doesn't seem to be making national news either. It's not black people's fault if whites don't want to speak up. And black people certainly do not control the media.
Will there ever be a day on City Data forum where posters create threads based on the crime alone, without having to resort to other things like race just to 'prove' their usual arguments about how the 'liberal' media is biased against black on white crime and the sort?
The crime mentioned in the OP is heinous enough to comment on and has nothing to do with race.
To be able to discuss the crime, the circumstances, the victims, the judicial system, etc etc....what a concept!!
I'm as responsible for black on black crime, Al Sharpton, the 14 y/o chic in McKinney and the Crips/Bloods as a random white poster on C-D being responsible for the actions of Jeffrey Dahmer, Bernie Madoff and the young boys that collaborated and carried out the Columbine High School shooting spree.
CLEARLY this is not a racial issue, or should any recent events shade the comments regarding this sick story. Does anyone have any compassion for the girl whose life is ruined? smh
Not ruined. She's dead. And it wasn't good enough just to kill her. They had to make sure that her last moments on earth were as hellish as possible for their own perverse pleasure.
Dude, we can talk about ratios, we can talk about percentages, hell we can talk about records but the fact is in 2011 some 2,600 white people were murdered by white people! I don't know about you but that is a lot of people. That is half the number of U.S. service men and women killed in Iraq over a 10 year period. And you are going to sit there and tell me that all it goodness and light except for Chicago, Detroit and Baltimore?!?!
It would appear to me that you have a rather selective criteria for intelligent black folks, as in agree with conservative white Republicans or be accused of the silliest of sophistic arguments.
Well, let's talk facts.
Since you picked 2011.
In 2011, the whites made up 72% of population, and the blacks over 12%. So, roughly 6 whites for each black.
Looking at FBI murder stats for that year.
There were 8,341 arrests made for murder and manslaughter.
4,000 of those arrested were white. 4,139 were black.
If the blacks, who made up 1/6th of the number of whites, were committing murder at the same rate as the whites, there would be 4000/6 = 667 murders committed by the blacks. Yet there were 6 times more. Which means that the blacks commit murders at the rate 6 times higher than the whites. Simple math, really.
But wait, it gets better.
The vast majority of black people are not murderers. I think you'd agree with me, right ?
Which means that the true probability of a certain segment of the black population to commit murder is 100s of times higher than an average white or black person. These people represent a tiny % of the overall population yet commit over half of all murders.
There's a problem, and it's unique to that particular segment of the black population. Like it or not.
However many in the black community seem to take a tribal stance, where the life of a black criminal matters far more than thousands of lives of black, white or Asian victims. Just because he's black. The good citizens of Ferguson do not riot when hundreds of people are gunned down in the alleys by gang violence, and the good citizens of Baltimore don't take to the streets every time a black or white person is shot there, and Rev Sharpton did not say a word when a white Detroit motorist was beaten into coma by a gang of black thugs because he stepped out of his car to help a child who didn't have anything better to do than to play chicken with traffic. Because for them only the black lives matter, and only when there's a policeman or a white person involved.
Until they realize that it's "lives matter", not just "black lives matter" we wouldn't get far. And when they get busy stirring up unrest and racial hatred for short term political gain like it was done in Ferguson, they aren't doing anyone any favors, including themselves. My wife and I have political views spanning both right and left, and would probably vote Democrat in the upcoming election, had it not been for all the race baiting.
For your comments asking "where are the Liberals on this", well, just visit the Baltimore and Maryland forums for your answers. You need to do so with an open mind as you will see that Dem =/= Liberal around here as Maryland's Bluest areas (Baltimore City, Montgomery County, and Prince George's County. It should also be known that Baltimore is unincorporated as it is not a part of Baltimore County despite being within it) are also some of the Country's most segregated.
The crime mentioned in the OP should stand as its own horrendous act, as with most crime, but as we all know the answer to your question is definitely "no".
Baltimore has really gotten out of hand recently, so much so that even if it went back to "normal" that would be quite a good thing by comparison.
Baltimore is incorporated. It is just an independent city like St. Louis.
Everything else you said about Baltimore is right on point.
This happens every year when it gets warm. This year with the riots, it just has gotten worse. Same as it was in the 90's.
Gangs do very bad things
Some cops are bad people and do bad things
Criminals are black, white, brown and every color in between
Crimes often happen more in poverty stricken areas
Instead of trying to point fingers and say, "Look! Look! Look! A black gang member raped someone!" or "OMG! You guys! Another cop beat up someone!" in an attempt to dilute the potency of other social issues, perhaps we can use our intelligence to combat ALL of these issues.
Exactly, for some reason the bold part really angers a lot of people. I just don't understand why not viewing all cops as good people makes you a cop hater. You would think that the power and authority involved in being a police officer would be a draw to very bad people and mentioning it wouldn't be controversial. Instead you have people saying this is what the black community deserves for speaking out against bad cops.
So black lives matter huh? Where's Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?
Same place they were last year when a young black woman (who died) was raped, and set on fire in Wichita--nowhere to be found.
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