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"The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens." From Roof's manifesto
Anybody on the right blaming the CCC for these murders? Claiming that they have blood on their hands? What if this had been a black guy murdering nine white people and what if in a manifesto explaining what had led him to do that he had mentioned coming across something like Rev Sharpton's PoliticsNation Facebook page?
had nothing to do with race.... its just another case where liberals wont address the mental health issues of many out there
Liberals and Democrats are supposed to be the group caring about mental health and disadvantaged people. Well maybe not so much.
I came to be conscious of this issue with McGovern's cashiering of Eagleton as a candidate in the 1972 campaign. This sorry episode is part of what started my path away from believing that liberals are necessarily good people. I had thought they really believed in love, help and compassion before that. I was 15 at time, and had bought into the "peace, love and helping hand" myth the liberals and Democrats presented themselves as adhering to. I believed strongly then, and still do believe, that people are capable of making something of themselves after facing obstacles. To have unceremoniously tossed such a person off the ticket showed a total lack of spine and leadership we see all too often.
With this horrific church massacre, we are treated to lectures about gun control and about racism. People forget that both in this episode and Sandy Hook parents without any apparent mental health pathologies were the ones that obtained the weapons, not the mentally ill adult-aged children. Guns are everywhere so efforts to control legally purchased guns are doomed to futility. The most those laws will do is prevent people who would hurt no one from owning a gun.
Racism is similarly rife in society. But no one things that Dylan Roof was active in any anti-black political movement.
I suppose that liberals don't want to deal with mental health issues because that would mean getting involved with and spending real time with unpleasant people who don't make good social companions. That takes real time and effort. Learning more about those people and having people who are conscious of their ups and downs might prevent some, though certainly not all tragedies.
It is far easier and more satisfying to inveigh against guns and racism. It feels good and typical for liberals that's what mattes. Not whether it works. Link to topic expanding upon these thoughts.
If it is something that is trying to radicalize young people (e.g. like the ISIS propaganda / Inspire) then yes; but don't know what it is, never heard of it.
Doesn't sound like someone who was simply mentally ill and not responsible for his own actions, but someone who was in full realization of what he wanted to do and what he wanted it to symbolize. He sounds like a lone wolf terrorist who committed pre-meditated murder.
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I don't know what is on their website, but from the Manifesto it seems as if it was crime statistics that caught the shooter's attention. If the crime statistics are objectively correct, then I don't see how the CCC could be to blame.
Where you find blatant and significant spin or half truths is where a measure of moral blame can be assigned for the motivation of criminals, for any relevant crime. Though, if we are going to start hunting down websites for moral blame for criminal action motivated by the unbalanced or falsified information that they provide then the CCC is going to have to wait in a long line even if their statistics are false.
"The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens." From Roof's manifesto
Anybody on the right blaming the CCC for these murders? Claiming that they have blood on their hands? What if this had been a black guy murdering nine white people and what if in a manifesto explaining what had led him to do that he had mentioned coming across something like Rev Sharpton's PoliticsNation Facebook page?
Probably the only way to have real knowledge here is to look at the web archives showing their pages.
No doubt they are on damage control following the ruckus in SC (thus, their current content is meaningless), and anyone who is not them has the typical screeds that you'd expect from scammers like the SPLC, etc.
I expect they are more polished than the identity politics church leaders (J. Wright fer example), but I'll have to take a look.
...later... meh, about what you'd expect. Specialist news site that prints black on white crime, and some fuss about archenemies like the SPLC and Tim Wise.
You haven't spent much time reading this board, have you? For a while when I first found this site I thought I had landed on Storm Front by mistake. Plenty of posters here seem to share Mr. Roof's feelings about black Americans.
It's not plenty. There is a small group that comes over here from Chit Front, four or five of them with multiple accounts. They are pretty easy to spot. When free speech is allowed there's not much you can do except put them on ignore.
That's your absurd agenda because you can't discuss the facts, so you falsely play the race card for an entire segment of the population. The said part is you don't even see how much of a hypocrite you are being. Not that you care about the truth.
I see that conservatives don't challenge the specific things I posted. They just declare them untrue.
But these conservatives don't say that they disagree with mr roof's views about black on black crime a talking point which is hugely popular amongst conservatives, his view of the confederate flag which is popular amongst conservatives, his view that there is rampant black on white another insane theory that is popular amongst conservatives, his view that Trayvon Martin was a thug and G. Zimmerman was right, his view that white people are the real victims of racism, etc.
Again mr roof would have been right at home amongst conservatives discussing black Americans. It should cause conservatives to question their beliefs about black Americans the fact that they agree so much with a murderous white supremacist, but they won't.
But these conservatives don't say that they disagree with mr roof's views about black on black crime a talking point which is hugely popular amongst conservatives, his view of the confederate flag which is popular amongst conservatives, his view that there is rampant black on white another insane theory that is popular amongst conservatives, his view that Trayvon Martin was a thug and G. Zimmerman was right, his view that white people are the real victims of racism, etc.
Is Dylann Roof your scholarly authority on black crime? Or white views of crime?
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Again mr roof would have been right at home amongst conservatives discussing black Americans. It should cause conservatives to question their beliefs about black Americans the fact that they agree so much with a murderous white supremacist, but they won't.
That would be like my equating you to Hitler because of your probable support of the Arab cause against Israel, or the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions ("BDS") movement on campus.
You really believe that conservatives would engage in conversations about a war against black
people and killing blacks. I don't. There is nothing in their rhetoric that makes me think that.
That is the conversation Mr Roof was having with HIMSELF.
I described the specific topics(black on black crime,Trayvon Martin, how mr roof and conservatives sound the same when discussing black Americans. You just choose to ignore those examples.
And conservatives do discuss the prospect of a race war. I hear that crap all the time from conservatives like Glenn Beck, or Alex Jones or a plethora of conservatives out there saying that President Obama is priming black people to riot and hate the police so they'll be race riots and he can declare martial law. In all those scenarios conservatives are thinking about killing black people.
conservative gun nuts dream up scenarios where the government runs out of food stamps or some other situation that they call crap hitting the fan and they fantasize about roving black and Latino gangs which they'll have to kill.
Mr roof's violent fantasies of killing black people if expressed slightly differently would have been right at home amongst conservatives.
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