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Old 09-25-2015, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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I'm not talking about an exchange. I am talking about going through an insurance broker like everyone else does who cannot qualify for a subsidy.
Sure, they can do that...In Missouri the cost for buying a "silver policy" without subsidies is $216 a month. That plan will cover 70% of your health insurance costs, has a maximum out of pocket of $6600 a year, has a $3,000 deductible for medical services, a $400 deductible for drugs, and a $30 co-pay for doctor visits. The average weekly take home pay of someone who earns $11,670 a year is $187. So their health care premium alone would eat up about 30% of their take home pay.
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Old 09-25-2015, 01:39 PM
 
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Obviously they do. Republicans have a problem providing any services to any poor people, as is obvious to anyone who's been in America (or on the C-D message boards) for more than an hour or two.

First of all, there is nothing illegal going on at PP. This has already been established by state investigations since the doctored videos were released.

Secondly, if Republicans want to prohibit the practice of donating fetal tissues, they should propose a bill that would make it illegal, and (assuming it passed) apply that to all medical practitioners, rather than focusing on defunding one particular organization that provides health services to poor women.
Nothing illegal going on at PP? Do you think the leaders of PP would be willing to make that statement on the stand in a court of law? I doubt it.

But even if what PP doing is legal that doesn't mean that taxpayers should be funding it. PP won't go out of business and taxpayers would no longer be funding this horrific practice.
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Old 09-25-2015, 01:40 PM
 
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Republicans have no problem with providing health services to poor women. That isn't this issue. The issue is whether or not taxpayers should be paying for the harvest and (likely illegal) sale of human body parts. That's a legit concern.
Really? If Republicans have no problem providing health services to poor women why are they opposed to expanded medicaid?
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Old 09-25-2015, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Baja Virginia
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Nothing illegal going on at PP? Do you think the leaders of PP would be willing to make that statement on the stand in a court of law? I doubt it.
Your doubts are completely irrelevant. If and when anyone from PP is required to stand in a court of law, we'll all see what they are willing to say under oath.

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But even if what PP doing is legal that doesn't mean that taxpayers should be funding it.
It doesn't mean they shouldn't be funding it either. It saves the government money in the long run, because paying for contraception is cheaper than paying for pregnancy and birth and paying welfare to raise a kid to age 18.
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Old 09-25-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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Nothing illegal going on at PP? Do you think the leaders of PP would be willing to make that statement on the stand in a court of law? I doubt it.

But even if what PP doing is legal that doesn't mean that taxpayers should be funding it. PP won't go out of business and taxpayers would no longer be funding this horrific practice.
The Hyde Amendment withholds federal Medicaid funding from abortion, except in the extremely narrow and dire circumstances when continuing the pregnancy will endanger the life of the woman, or when the pregnancy results from rape or incest. Here's an article debunking the claim that federal tax dollars are funding abortions: Conservative Media Pretend Federal Taxpayers Foot The Bill For Abortions | Research | Media Matters for America
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Old 09-25-2015, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Republicans have no problem with providing health services to poor women. That isn't this issue. The issue is whether or not taxpayers should be paying for the harvest and (likely illegal) sale of human body parts. That's a legit concern.
Yes, selling body parts for profit is a legitimate concern. I don't know of anyone who would agree that a profit-driven free market in body parts, fetal or not, is a good thing.

The immediate issue is whether PP is breaking the law that prohibits this market. So far, no one has accumulated the evidence to support a legal charge. Let alone a conviction.

Taxpayers don't pay for elective abortions. Doesn't matter whether the abortion is performed by PP or in a doctor's office or in a hospital. That includes abortions for military women, BTW.
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Old 09-25-2015, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Yes the videos were fake. They,'re from a network of videographers known for doctoring videos to tell lies.

Analyses found them to be heavily edited to distort what was said.

There's no selling body parts. They've long been able to recoup their costs when transporting parts the mother requests be used for researxh or other medical purposes.

Just look at the costs discussed.
LOL! Typical Leftist tactic... If you see something you don't like just label it "fake" to try to render it powerless. It's very 7th grader.

Those people in those videos weren't reading from a script. Those were real statements by real employees of PP. You simply can't get around that. Reality.
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Old 09-25-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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LOL! Typical Leftist tactic... If you see something you don't like just label it "fake" to try to render it powerless. It's very 7th grader.
If you haven't read the articles that have already been linked here, explaining how those videos were deceptively edited to give an inaccurate impression, don't feel obliged to post.
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Old 09-25-2015, 02:10 PM
 
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Sure, they can do that...In Missouri the cost for buying a "silver policy" without subsidies is $216 a month. That plan will cover 70% of your health insurance costs, has a maximum out of pocket of $6600 a year, has a $3,000 deductible for medical services, a $400 deductible for drugs, and a $30 co-pay for doctor visits. The average weekly take home pay of someone who earns $11,670 a year is $187. So their health care premium alone would eat up about 30% of their take home pay.
So are they choosing to disobey the law passed by the Democrats and signed by President Obama?
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Old 09-25-2015, 02:12 PM
 
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Really? If Republicans have no problem providing health services to poor women why are they opposed to expanded medicaid?
They objected to paying for it after the Federal subsidies will end. And they will.
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