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Old 10-08-2015, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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No, what we're saying is that the way of going about solving "recent massacres" is not to institute universal background checks or any of the other inane gun control proposals that are continually trotted out by leftist morons. If you really want to solve the violence problem in this country, you attack the "why," the reason that crimes are committed, not the "how." Because even if all guns are banned, violent crime is going to find another means. Look at how England is trying to get people to surrender their kitchen knives now because of their rash of "knife violence."

You people don't actually want to stop these massacres, you love them, because each one gets you more chances to advance the football towards complete civilian disarmament. This is evidenced by Obama's disgusting push for gun control immediately following the Oregon UCC shooting, before the killer's name, where/how he got guns, or any other specifics were known. But somehow His Eminence Obama already knew that what we really need to combat these atrocities are more background checks. Oh whoops, turns out the shooter passed numerous background checks, and Oregon already has a universal background check law.

Specifics and actually solving the problem don't matter; all that matters is disarming the populace.
Ummm …

So … disarming guys like Adam Lanza would not be part of the picture … ???
He should have had virtually unrestricted access to guns and ammo … ???
Really … ???

*whew*

But I do agree that "background" checks of a person's PAST are only a small bit …

What we should be doing also is a PRESENT Right NOW TODAY mental health status exam of ALL would-be gun purchasers for ALL transfers of guns, including within families (hint: Adam Lanza's mom was part of the problem …) ...

 
Old 10-08-2015, 02:19 PM
 
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Ummm …

So … disarming guys like Adam Lanza would not be part of the picture … ???
He should have had virtually unrestricted access to guns and ammo … ???
Really … ???

*whew*

But I do agree that "background" checks of a person's PAST are only a small bit …

What we should be doing also is a PRESENT Right NOW TODAY mental health status exam of ALL would-be gun purchasers for ALL transfers of guns, including within families (hint: Adam Lanza's mom was part of the problem …) ...
Adam Lanza was never armed lawfully. He killed his mother in order to access the arms. Are you suggesting his mother should be banned from owning guns because he was mentally ill?

Please do not neglect to respond to my 2 previous posts. Would hate to see you dodge again.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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If it is an American problem why is it VT has so few homicides? Same can be said for Wyoming and many other states with limited restrictions on gun ownership and high gun ownership rates. No homicide is a cultural problem and a poverty problem. If it was an American problem the population group that owns most of the guns would have astronomical homicide rates when in fact they have EUROPEAN HOMICIDE RATES.

Stats wiz Nate Silver: For black Americans, US is about as dangerous as Rwanda
As he explained to me on the latest episode of The Katie Halper Show, “If you’re a white person your chance of being murdered every year is 2.5 out of 100,000… If you’re a black person it’s 19.4, so almost eight times higher.”
It is a CULTURAL problem, isn't it … ???

And the Gun Nut Culture isn't a positive aspect …
 
Old 10-08-2015, 02:22 PM
 
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It is a CULTURAL problem, isn't it … ???

And the Gun Nut Culture isn't a positive aspect …
Inner city population groups are largely not members of gun culture. Gang bangers are not bullseye shooting on Sunday mornings. They are not showing up at IDPA matches making new friends.

Law abiding minorities of course ARE part of gun culture a valued one as well, but they are of course a very different population group than the population group committing homicides. Colin Noir a wildly popular commentator is a great example of this.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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As I have stated before and I will state again, allow teachers who wish to do so to carry. Stop making our most high profile targets soft.

Jail people who commit violent crimes for a much longer time than we currently do.
End the war on drugs.
Gentrify cities.


NONE of this would have affected the Adam Lanza case ...
 
Old 10-08-2015, 02:24 PM
 
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LMAO!! Rap music?? Yes, thug rappers are part of gun culture now, I guess based on the fact that you say so, right? They all go to the range and take training classes, volunteer at youth events, help officiate competitions, insist on strict safety protocols, etc.

Pathetic.
No what's pathetic is ignoring the very real gun culture in America that includes a huge contingent of undesirables, criminals, gang bangers, and mass murderers, then believing that the rest of us are so stupid we won't notice.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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NONE of this would have affected the Adam Lanza case ...
Armed teachers would not have effected the Lana case?

What do you propose would have that does not involve mass violence against your neighbors in confiscating their property? Did you know CT is an assault weapon ban state? Apparently it did not work either.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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The problem of gun violence in America isn't a situation of one state at a time … It's a nationwide problem … It's an AMERICAN problem ...
Thank you for finally responding to the question.

How is it a nationwide problem? Give us even one plausible explanation.

Because I doubt all the murderers with easier access to guns in Arizona and Nevada are driving to California to do their murdering, then driving back home.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 02:26 PM
 
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No what's pathetic is ignoring the very real gun culture in America that includes a huge contingent of undesirables, criminals, gang bangers, and mass murderers, then believing that the rest of us are so stupid we won't notice.
I have yet to meet a gang banger at my local club. I wonder why that is? Could it be they are not a part of gun culture?

Or are you suggesting gang bangers and old white men are parts of the same culture? That gets an LOL
 
Old 10-08-2015, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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It is a CULTURAL problem, isn't it … ???

And the Gun Nut Culture isn't a positive aspect …
And Fascist Gun Banners are doing what... exactly... to fix the cultural problem that drives the vast majority of gun violence? You know, gang/thug culture... Drug culture... Oh wait... those are things you guys SUPPORT.

Nevermind.
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