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Old 10-20-2015, 10:05 AM
 
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It's complicated.

"William Muscarella, President of XYZ Options, said the CIA was fully aware that his firm was training Iraqi technicians in Topeka, Kansas to run a secret arms factory to be built at Iraq’s al-Atheer complex."

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Old 10-20-2015, 10:08 AM
 
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[quote=workingclasshero;41624000]1. bush and bill clinton were warned, that alq wnated to attack
....1a. the warnings said they did NOT KNOW when, where or how
....1b. the hijack warnings (of hijackings , not uysing planes are destruction devices) were for EXTERNAL flights

2. the clinton admin passed very little on to bush, and he took what he had and INCREASEd the assault
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[In August 2002 Richard A. Clarke, former chief counter-terrorism adviser, discusses US strategy in dealing with islamic terrorists:

RICHARD CLARKE: Actually, I've got about seven points, let me just go through them quickly. Um, the first point, I think the overall point is, there was no plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration.

Second point is that the Clinton administration had a strategy in place, effectively dating from 1998. And there were a number of issues on the table since 1998. And they remained on the table when that administration went out of office -- issues like aiding the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, changing our Pakistan policy -- uh, changing our policy toward Uzbekistan. And in January 2001, the incoming Bush administration was briefed on the existing strategy. They were also briefed on these series of issues that had not been decided on in a couple of years.

And the third point is the Bush administration decided then, you know, in late January, to do two things. One, vigorously pursue the existing policy, including all of the lethal covert action findings, which we've now made public to some extent.

And the point is, while this big review was going on, there were still in effect, the lethal findings were still in effect. The second thing the administration decided to do is to initiate a process to look at those issues which had been on the table for a couple of years and get them decided.

So, point five, that process which was initiated in the first week in February, uh, decided in principle, uh in the spring to add to the existing Clinton strategy and to increase CIA resources, for example, for covert action, five-fold, to go after Al Qaeda.

The sixth point, the newly-appointed deputies -- and you had to remember, the deputies didn't get into office until late March, early April. The deputies then tasked the development of the implementation details, uh, of these new decisions that they were endorsing, and sending out to the principals.

Over the course of the summer -- last point -- they developed implementation details, the principals met at the end of the summer, approved them in their first meeting, changed the strategy by authorizing the increase in funding five-fold, changing the policy on Pakistan, changing the policy on Uzbekistan, changing the policy on the Northern Alliance assistance.

And then changed the strategy from one of rollback with Al Qaeda over the course of five years, which it had been, to a new strategy that called for the rapid elimination of Al Qaeda. That is in fact the timeline.

QUESTION: What is your response to the suggestion in the [Aug 12, 2002] Time [magazine] article that the Bush administration was unwilling to take on board the suggestions made in the Clinton administration because of animus against the -- general animus against the foreign policy?

CLARKE: I think if there was a general animus that clouded their vision, they might not have kept the same guy dealing with terrorism issue. This is the one issue where the National Security Council leadership decided continuity was important and kept the same guy around, the same team in place. That doesn't sound like animus against, uh, the previous team to me.

JIM ANGLE: You're saying that the Bush administration did not stop anything that the Clinton administration was doing while it was making these decisions, and by the end of the summer had increased money for covert action five-fold. Is that correct?

CLARKE: All of that's correct.

ANGLE: So, just to finish up if we could then, so what you're saying is that there was no -- one, there was no plan; two, there was no delay; and that actually the first changes since October of '98 were made in the spring months just after the administration came into office?

CLARKE: You got it. That's right. /QUOTE]


hillary was the sec of state..SHE DIRECTLY was responsible for all actions and policies within our embassies
Bottom line: 9/11 happened while GWB was president. GWB received ample intelligence far enough in advance that if GWB acted on it, 9/11 could have been prevented.

Here are 6 specific intelligence reports that GWB received:6 Times Bush Ignored 9-11 Warnings

Bush Was Warned bin Laden Wanted to Hijack Planes
 
Old 10-20-2015, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Bottom line: 9/11 happened while GWB was president. GWB received ample intelligence far enough in advance that if GWB acted on it, 9/11 could have been prevented.
the fact is they were very generic warnings, stated NOTHING SPECIFIC

what was bush to do....people are up in arms about the TSA now after the attacks...never would have been able to stop it


bill clinton was warned about the attack on the USS Cole...did nothing

Hillary was ASKED to increase the security...SHE FAILED to do what was requested of her


but you wont do it...you just continue to wear your fascist brown shirt liberal blinders

people like you will support anything a liberal does, and bash anything a republican does...you guys are very predictable
 
Old 10-20-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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Benghazi was not a sudden explosion from a car bomb, nor a drive-by shooting. The Benghazi attacks took place for hours and hours, and we had no plan to deal with it.

The Benghazi consulate was attacked numerous times before 9/11, we had plenty of time to prepare, to put in place a security detail to offer protection in such an unstable place, to protect the people working there.

Ambassador Stevens was begging to anyone who would listen, for more security; he even warned of further attacks. And what did our incompetent Secretary of State do? She reduced security, and had absolutely no plan in place to deal with an impending attack. That is an example of gross negligence and incompetence on the part of our State Department.
Except Benghazi was not an US Consulate and so the usual Consulate security would not have been assigned there.

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the website of the U.S. embassy in Tripoli, Libya, contains no link to a consulate in Benghazi (or anywhere else in Libya, for that matter). Likewise, the Key Officers List—the State Department’s continually updated guide to all U.S. diplomatic facilities worldwide—contains no information about a consulate in Benghazi, but it does list the addresses and names of senior personnel assigned to the U.S. consulates in Egypt and Morocco.

Was There Ever a Real “U.S. Consulate” in Benghazi?


http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/111812.pdf

http://libya.usembassy.gov/

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Old 10-20-2015, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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the fact is they were very generic warnings, stated NOTHING SPECIFIC

what was bush to do....people are up in arms about the TSA now after the attacks...never would have been able to stop it


bill clinton was warned about the attack on the USS Cole...did nothing

Hillary was ASKED to increase the security...SHE FAILED to do what was requested of her


but you wont do it...you just continue to wear your fascist brown shirt liberal blinders

people like you will support anything a liberal does, and bash anything a republican does...you guys are very predictable
GWB was given intelligence that they were taking flying lessons and planned to fly a commercial airline into the WTC. What more did Georgie need, a coloring book that included pictures, exact dates, and airlines?

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Two months before the hijackings, FBI agents in Phoenix reported their suspicions about Arab students at a Phoenix flight school, and directly referred to the possibility of a connection to bin Laden.

In a memo from the Phoenix FBI to headquarters, the agents recommended an urgent nationwide review of flight schools "for any information that supports Phoenix's suspicions" of a terrorist connection. The memo reportedly cited Osama bin Laden by name.

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It was not the only signal FBI headquarters missed. Just weeks later, agents in Minnesota told headquarters of the arrest of suspected terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui at a flight school in St. Paul, suggesting he might be planning to hijack a plane and crash it into the World Trade Center.
Bush Warned of Hijackings Before 9-11 - ABC News
 
Old 10-20-2015, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by jojajn View Post
GWB was given intelligence that they were taking flying lessons and planned to fly a commercial airline into the WTC. What more did Georgie need, a coloring book that included pictures, exact dates, and airlines?

Bush Warned of Hijackings Before 9-11 - ABC News
so.....by your link... the FBI missed it, and failed to act...not bush
 
Old 10-20-2015, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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so.....by your link... the FBI missed it, and failed to act...not bush
Looking for any little tidbit to exonerate Bush? LOL!

By my own link Bush, who would have had and could have put together all FBI intelligence reports related to this, ignored them.

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U.S. intelligence officials warned President Bush weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network might hijack American planes, but White House officials stressed the threat was not specific.
Bush Warned of Hijackings Before 9-11 - ABC News

George needed a coloring book with specific pictures of what would happen on a specific day before he could know what to do.
 
Old 10-20-2015, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Looking for any little tidbit to exonerate Bush? LOL!

By my own link Bush, who would have had and could have put together all FBI intelligence reports related to this, ignored them.

Bush Warned of Hijackings Before 9-11 - ABC News

George needed a coloring book with specific pictures of what would happen on a specific day before he could know what to do.
anything to attack a republican...lol

the fact is the warnings were very vague..and un-verified

most of the warnings said "hijacking with demands of release of prsoners'...NOT ONE warning said crash into wtc

one warning said an attack on the banks, "somewhere" on the east coast

all vague....what would you want done.....martial law????

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Old 10-20-2015, 11:47 AM
 
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Why didn't congress spend as much time investigating the 9/11 attacks?
Were you in elementary school in 2002? The news media was full of the 9/11 Commission - which began on November 27, 2002 and closed on August 21, 2004.

The Select Committee on Benghazi was passed on May 8, 2014 - hearings began in September of 2014.
 
Old 10-20-2015, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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Originally Posted by jojajn View Post
Looking for any little tidbit to exonerate Bush? LOL!

By my own link Bush, who would have had and could have put together all FBI intelligence reports related to this, ignored them.

Bush Warned of Hijackings Before 9-11 - ABC News

George needed a coloring book with specific pictures of what would happen on a specific day before he could know what to do.

So you wanted the entire airline industry shutdown until Bin Laden was captured?

Kind of hard to assemble intelligence when Clinton put rules in that prevented the CIA from passing intel on to the FBI. Ever here of Jamie Gorelick?
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