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I'm not talking about his election chances or the election at all.
I'm talking about his ideology ONLY.
And no...non intervention is not unrealistic. Lots of countries do it. Ours is better positioned to do it than those nations are.
This country doesn't have to live out its existence through the prism of 9/11...that incident happened BECAUSE OF our meddling...not in spite of it.
What meddling? We weren't in any wars over there when 9/11 happened? And I don't buy the "because of the Gulf War" crap. Bin Laden would've launched 9/11 anyways because radicals want everyone to be Muslim, and if you don't submit, they'll kill you. They bombed the Twin Towers 8 years before 9/11, and we didn't pay attention. If we were more involved, perhaps it wouldn't have happened.
What meddling? We weren't in any wars over there when 9/11 happened? And I don't buy the "because of the Gulf War" crap. Bin Laden would've launched 9/11 anyways because radicals want everyone to be Muslim, and if you don't submit, they'll kill you. They bombed the Twin Towers 8 years before 9/11, and we didn't pay attention. If we were more involved, perhaps it wouldn't have happened.
We've been involved for decades. We would be acting no different than they have if another country was always getting involved into our country and politics.
If another country funded and was behind the overthrow of our elected president we would go to war.
What meddling? We weren't in any wars over there when 9/11 happened? And I don't buy the "because of the Gulf War" crap. Bin Laden would've launched 9/11 anyways because radicals want everyone to be Muslim, and if you don't submit, they'll kill you. They bombed the Twin Towers 8 years before 9/11, and we didn't pay attention. If we were more involved, perhaps it wouldn't have happened.
What meddling? LMAO
So ours troops occupying Afghanistan, Bahrain, Djibouti, Egypt, Ethiopia, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Yemen means little? You actually think those affected by the murder of their loved ones are going to forget? I'm surprised our homeland wasn't hit sooner.
What meddling? We weren't in any wars over there when 9/11 happened? And I don't buy the "because of the Gulf War" crap. Bin Laden would've launched 9/11 anyways because radicals want everyone to be Muslim, and if you don't submit, they'll kill you. They bombed the Twin Towers 8 years before 9/11, and we didn't pay attention. If we were more involved, perhaps it wouldn't have happened.
Meddling isn't always in the form of wars. It's also fixing elections, supporting and arming brutal regimes, overthrowing governments, training secret police, and crushing the aspirations of the poor in favor of the rich.
All of which we've done over the last century in the Middle East.
What meddling? LMAO
So ours troops occupying Afghanistan, Bahrain, Djibouti, Egypt, Ethiopia, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Yemen means little? You actually think those affected by the murder of their loved ones are going to forget? I'm surprised our homeland wasn't hit sooner.
Having some troops there at the request of their governments isn't occupying. Wanna know what occupying is? Look up how China occupies Tibet, or Turkey occupies northern Cyprus.
I'm not saying that everything our government does is right and sensible, but there's no justification for 9/11, and doing nothing at all also has consequences. Simply thinking that pulling our troops out of the Islamic World will stop terrorism against us is ridiculously naive. The religion of these savages tells them to slaughter infidels anywhere they are. Our troops being in other lands is just a convenient excuse they give so that liberals and libertarians believe them and feel bad for them.
Having some troops there at the request of their governments isn't occupying. Wanna know what occupying is? Look up how China occupies Tibet, or Turkey occupies northern Cyprus.
I'm not saying that everything our government does is right and sensible, but there's no justification for 9/11, and doing nothing at all also has consequences. Simply thinking that pulling our troops out of the Islamic World will stop terrorism against us is ridiculously naive. The religion of these savages tells them to slaughter infidels anywhere they are. Our troops being in other lands is just a convenient excuse they give so that liberals and libertarians believe them and feel bad for them.
Odd....we have slaughtered far more of them then they us. No 9-11 isn't justifiable but neither is a fraction of the things we did over there before and after that.
Having some troops there at the request of their governments isn't occupying. Wanna know what occupying is? Look up how China occupies Tibet, or Turkey occupies northern Cyprus.
I'm not saying that everything our government does is right and sensible, but there's no justification for 9/11, and doing nothing at all also has consequences. Simply thinking that pulling our troops out of the Islamic World will stop terrorism against us is ridiculously naive. The religion of these savages tells them to slaughter infidels anywhere they are. Our troops being in other lands is just a convenient excuse they give so that liberals and libertarians believe them and feel bad for them.
Lol..is there a justification for propping up brutal regimes and overthrowing foreign governments?
What meddling? We weren't in any wars over there when 9/11 happened? And I don't buy the "because of the Gulf War" crap. Bin Laden would've launched 9/11 anyways because radicals want everyone to be Muslim, and if you don't submit, they'll kill you. They bombed the Twin Towers 8 years before 9/11, and we didn't pay attention. If we were more involved, perhaps it wouldn't have happened.
How would you feel if the United States government, in fear of threat from a neighbor, say Mexico, signed a treaty with China allowing Chinese built military bases with Chinese troops on them on American soil. Well, in the real world this would never happen to us because we are powerful enough to maintain our own national defense without the need for foreign militaries to be stationed on our soil. (But this is precisely what happened after the Gulf War, if you replace Mexico with Iraq and China with us. We stationed troops in Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War to protect it from Iraq)
But you do understand that this would be a huge affront to some Americans' national pride and honor, right? Just as we felt about the British stationing their soldiers in the American colonies. We began to see them as a foreign occupier and oppressor. And when you have troops stationed in your country from a foreign power, and have not completely subdued that nation's independent spirit, there will always be individuals who view that as an unacceptable state of affairs.
But continuing with this hypothetical scenario, what would the American who felt enraged at his country being occupied by Chinese troops feel? He would probably feel like the government betrayed him, and "sold out" to the foreigners even if our government had consented to this agreement. If the hypothetical American launches a strike against the government of his own nation, he will quickly be captured and either jailed or executed. But if he and like-minded folks launches a strike not against his own government, which he feels has betrayed the nation's independence and honor, but against the more powerful foreign nation which is supporting his government, then he has a chance to do something and get away with it...if an American here attacked China, he could strike a blow for his perceived freedom and and honor. China could not directly pursue justice against this attack, because America and China are allies in this scenario. So China has to go after other nations that are supporting this movement for American independence in order to prevent similar attacks from happening...similar to how we didn't attack Saudi Arabia after 9/11 even though the perpetrators were mostly of Saudi descent but went after Iraq and Afghanistan instead, as it would be politically inexpedient to attack your own ally..
You don't understand how the terrorists feel because you're living in a powerful country that is military self-sufficient and does not strike deals with other nations involving the occupation of foreign troops on your own soil. If it were happening to us, some of our countrymen would try to attack the occupying power even if it were allied to our government. Not really from a sense of rational thought, but merely from the deeply tribal instinct some of us have that views any "foreign elements" within our society as a dagger pointed at our heart, as an affront that cannot be tolerated.
But imagine an America that was less powerful, that was under foreign influence... dare I say it? We'd become terrorists - and we'd think of ourselves as freedom fighters.
How would you feel if the United States government, in fear of threat from a neighbor, say Mexico, signed a treaty with China allowing Chinese built military bases with Chinese troops on them on American soil. Well, in the real world this would never happen to us because we are powerful enough to maintain our own national defense without the need for foreign militaries to be stationed on our soil. (But this is precisely what happened after the Gulf War, if you replace Mexico with Iraq and China with us. We stationed troops in Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War to protect it from Iraq)
But you do understand that this would be a huge affront to some Americans' national pride and honor, right? Just as we felt about the British stationing their soldiers in the American colonies. We began to see them as a foreign occupier and oppressor. And when you have troops stationed in your country from a foreign power, and have not completely subdued that nation's independent spirit, there will always be individuals who view that as an unacceptable state of affairs.
But continuing with this hypothetical scenario, what would the American who felt enraged at his country being occupied by Chinese troops feel? He would probably feel like the government betrayed him, and "sold out" to the foreigners even if our government had consented to this agreement. If the hypothetical American launches a strike against the government of his own nation, he will quickly be captured and either jailed or executed. But if he and like-minded folks launches a strike not against his own government, which he feels has betrayed the nation's independence and honor, but against the more powerful foreign nation which is supporting his government, then he has a chance to do something and get away with it...if an American here attacked China, he could strike a blow for his perceived freedom and and honor. China could not directly pursue justice against this attack, because America and China are allies in this scenario. So China has to go after other nations that are supporting this movement for American independence in order to prevent similar attacks from happening...similar to how we didn't attack Saudi Arabia after 9/11 even though the perpetrators were mostly of Saudi descent but went after Iraq and Afghanistan instead, as it would be politically inexpedient to attack your own ally..
You don't understand how the terrorists feel because you're living in a powerful country that is military self-sufficient and does not strike deals with other nations involving the occupation of foreign troops on your own soil. If it were happening to us, some of our countrymen would try to attack the occupying power even if it were allied to our government. Not really from a sense of rational thought, but merely from the deeply tribal instinct some of us have that views any "foreign elements" within our society as a dagger pointed at our heart, as an affront that cannot be tolerated.
But imagine an America that was less powerful, that was under foreign influence... dare I say it? We'd become terrorists - and we'd think of ourselves as freedom fighters.
Well said.
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