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Old 03-02-2016, 09:23 AM
 
Location: honolulu
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No, you haven't. You've sought out information which confirms your preconceived conclusions, and you don't care about the credibility or reliability of the source. Case in point:



That's not research. That's confirmation bias in action. You reject any information which doesn't support your beliefs, regardless of reliability, provability and credibility, and accept that which cannot be proven no matter who's supplying it.

I invite you to do some research - REAL research - into the payload requirements for any plane that would be spraying a chemtrail. Figure out the weight of the materials required to create a moderate size persistent, spreading chemtrail that stretches from horizon to horizon, and then look into the cargo capacities of the largest aircraft ever built. Be sure to come back and let us know how that worked out, and be prepared to show your work.
here x plane.... contrail.. ryte....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UDPnNkUHUw

 
Old 03-02-2016, 09:29 AM
 
Location: honolulu
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Originally Posted by swagger View Post
No, you haven't. You've sought out information which confirms your preconceived conclusions, and you don't care about the credibility or reliability of the source. Case in point:



That's not research. That's confirmation bias in action. You reject any information which doesn't support your beliefs, regardless of reliability, provability and credibility, and accept that which cannot be proven no matter who's supplying it.

I invite you to do some research - REAL research - into the payload requirements for any plane that would be spraying a chemtrail. Figure out the weight of the materials required to create a moderate size persistent, spreading chemtrail that stretches from horizon to horizon, and then look into the cargo capacities of the largest aircraft ever built. Be sure to come back and let us know how that worked out, and be prepared to show your work.
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Active fixed-wing transport aircraft[edit]

RAF TriStar refuelling US Navy F/A-18s.

The C-5 Galaxy.

The Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle "Mystic" being loaded into an An-124, California.

Il-76 and Tu-95 over Moscow on Victory Day Parade.

The Airbus A400M.
Manufacturer Model first flight max Payload (t) Cruise (km/h) max range (km) MTOW
Airbus A330 MRTT 2007 45 860 14,800 223
Airbus A400M 2009 37 780 9,300 141
Alenia C-27J Spartan 2008 11.5 583 5,926 31.8
Antonov An-12 1957 20 670 5,700 61
Antonov An-22 Antei 1965 80 740 5,000 250
Antonov An-26 1969 5.5 440 2,550 24
Antonov An-32 1976 6.7 480 2,500 26.9
Antonov An-70 1994 47 729 6,600 145
Antonov An-72 1977 7.5 600 4,800 33
Antonov An-124 Ruslan 1982 150 800-850 5,410 405
Antonov An-178 2015 18 800-825 5,500 42
AVIC Y-8 1974 20 550 5,616 61
AVIC Y-9 2008 25 650 7,800 77
AVIC Y-20 2013 66 900 7,800 220
Bell/Boeing V-22 Osprey 1989 6.8 396 1,627 27.4
Boeing C-17 Globemaster III 1991 77.5 830 10,390 265
Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker 1956 37.6 853 17,766 146
CASA C-212 Aviocar 1971 2.8 315 1,433 8
CASA/Indonesian Aerospace CN-235 1983 5 509 5,003 15.1
CASA C-295 1998 9.3 481 5,630 23.2
de Havilland Canada C-7 Caribou 1958 3.6 348 2,103 14.2
Douglas C-47 1943 3 360 2,600 10.5
Grumman C-1 Trader 1952 1.6 462 2,092 13.2
Grumman C-2 Greyhound 1964 4.5 465 2,400 24.7
Embraer KC-390 2014 23 900 6,200 72
Fairchild C-123 Provider 1949 11 367 1,666 27
Ilyushin Il-76 1971 47 900 4,400 170
Ilyushin Il-76-MD-90A 2013 60 850 4,000 210
Ilyushin Il-112 2011 5.9 550 5,000 20
Kawasaki C-1 1970 11.9 657 1,300 45
Kawasaki XC-2 2010 37.6 890 6,500 120
Lockheed C-5 Galaxy 1968 122 907 4,445 381
Lockheed C-130 Hercules 1954 20 540 3,800 70.3
Lockheed C-141 Starlifter 1963 28.4 912 9,880 147
McDonnell Douglas KC-10 Extender 1980 77 908 18,507 268
PZL Mielec M-28 Skytruck 1993 2.5 270 1,500 8
Short Brothers C-23 Sherpa 1982 3.2 296 1,239 3.2
Short Brothers Skyvan 1963
Transport Allianz Transall C-160 1963 16 513 1,850 49.2
UAC and HAL UAC/HAL Multirole Transport Aircraft 2017 22 830 2,500 68
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita...sport_aircraft
 
Old 03-02-2016, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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yes, they are real...I've actually seen patterns over where I live, looked like a basket weave...even called neighbors outside to witness them....we were astounded....
There were several planes (5 or 6 at different altitudes) flying at one time, making a basket type weave...yes, they are indeed real....
 
Old 03-02-2016, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Kawena, copying and pasting some stuff from Wiki and linking to a YouTube video doesn't qualify as research.

What I suggested you do is important. Had you actually done the requisite research, you would have discovered that the weight of the materials purported to make up a "chemtrail" far exceed the capacity of any aircraft ever built, by a wide margin.

Simply put, no aircraft has ever been produced which can carry the weight required to create even a moderate size "chemtrail" which stretches from horizon to horizon. "Chemtrails," as commonly suggested, cannot exist. It's a physical impossibility.

Feel free to prove me wrong. It's going to take more effort than copying and pasting from Wiki, though. You're going to need to compute the volume of material required to create that horizon-to-horizon chemtrail, the weight of that material and then find a plane which can carry that much weight. Best of luck.
 
Old 03-02-2016, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Originally Posted by cremebrulee View Post
yes, they are real...I've actually seen patterns over where I live, looked like a basket weave...even called neighbors outside to witness them....we were astounded....
There were several planes (5 or 6 at different altitudes) flying at one time, making a basket type weave...yes, they are indeed real....
No, sorry, those are contrails.
 
Old 03-02-2016, 04:36 PM
 
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Originally Posted by cremebrulee View Post
yes, they are real...I've actually seen patterns over where I live, looked like a basket weave...even called neighbors outside to witness them....we were astounded....
There were several planes (5 or 6 at different altitudes) flying at one time, making a basket type weave...yes, they are indeed real....
I observed the same thing over my town.

If they were flight patterns, you would see them every day, wouldn't you?

I don't see a pattern here, just now and then.

Just now and then, airplanes do a tic tac toe?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TKv2sP5YVU
 
Old 03-02-2016, 07:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by cremebrulee View Post
yes, they are real...I've actually seen patterns over where I live, looked like a basket weave...even called neighbors outside to witness them....we were astounded....
There were several planes (5 or 6 at different altitudes) flying at one time, making a basket type weave...yes, they are indeed real....
I wish I was one of those neighbors. I would have laughed at you all in your face and ripped your idiotic theories and guesses apart. Flight patterns of contrails in NO WAY prove the existence of so-called 'chemtrails' , and those who claim they do exhibit a gross misunderstanding of the aviation system. Those of us with educations in aeronautics and/or aviation science and with careers in aviation can't help but laugh you folks. The stuff you guys pull out of your hat is based on ignorance.
 
Old 03-02-2016, 11:55 PM
 
Location: honolulu
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Originally Posted by cremebrulee View Post
yes, they are real...I've actually seen patterns over where I live, looked like a basket weave...even called neighbors outside to witness them....we were astounded....
There were several planes (5 or 6 at different altitudes) flying at one time, making a basket type weave...yes, they are indeed real....
did they look like this??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EmGXz8eLhU&app=desktop
 
Old 03-03-2016, 12:05 AM
 
Location: honolulu
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Originally Posted by swagger View Post
Kawena, copying and pasting some stuff from Wiki and linking to a YouTube video doesn't qualify as research.

What I suggested you do is important. Had you actually done the requisite research, you would have discovered that the weight of the materials purported to make up a "chemtrail" far exceed the capacity of any aircraft ever built, by a wide margin.

Simply put, no aircraft has ever been produced which can carry the weight required to create even a moderate size "chemtrail" which stretches from horizon to horizon. "Chemtrails," as commonly suggested, cannot exist. It's a physical impossibility.

Feel free to prove me wrong. It's going to take more effort than copying and pasting from Wiki, though. You're going to need to compute the volume of material required to create that horizon-to-horizon chemtrail, the weight of that material and then find a plane which can carry that much weight. Best of luck.
I could copy and paste Black law... you still won't believe it, if the stuff I post don;t convince you they why hang around. I post stuff to educate people they see the vids, the wiki they can make up their own minds.
If its not enough for you sorry...

"no aircraft has ever been produced which can carry the weight"

you seem to be an expert, no tell me how much is needed I shown in the vids it being done, lol are you saying don't believe my eyes..

I no need prove you wrong, I see it with my own eyes. I have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that its exists... no luck needed here... when you got the truth.

here another youtube... contrails you say?? hmmm no aircraft has ever been produced which can carry the weight
 
Old 03-03-2016, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Originally Posted by Kawena View Post
yes, as a matter of fact, but much more pronounced, truly looked like basket weaves....
you couldn't miss it...everyone who saw it said, "those are not flight patterns!" and it was only once that they were there...around 5 p.m. in the summer. Huge!

There will be tons of people in this forum who try and make you look foolish, for your beliefs....no matter what, do not take it to heart, ever...stand by your beliefs regardless...remember, they also laughed at Einstein...and many others...

Funny isn't it, how some refuse to allow others their beliefs, and use bully tactics and mockery, just b/c they don't believe...
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