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A special order cake doesn't have a sexuality orientation. Straight and gay people order the same types of custom wedding cakes. So again, no religious rules are being violated if a business sells custom wedding cakes.
I don`t know of any religion that requires adherents to not do business with outside groups, but that isn`t really what is taking place either.
Christian bakers do business with homosexuals all the time and never refuse business unless that specific business is a special order cake for a same-sex wedding.
The only reason they refuse to do that is because they believe they would be participating in an activity their faith deems sinful.
Of course that isn`t acceptable to the Gaystapo who insist that everyone bow to their god.
Actually it is just a business where the owners happen to be Christian, not a Christian business. Also, if a place sells wedding cakes, it is not their place to ask what the wedding cake will be used for because once it is sold, the cake no longer belongs to that business.
This idea that gay wedding cakes are somehow different than straight wedding cakes is completely absurd and just informs us that you don't have a leg to stand on with this argument.
Actually it is just a business where the owners happen to be Christian, not a Christian business. Also, if a place sells wedding cakes, it is not their place to ask what the wedding cake will be used for because once it is sold, the cake no longer belongs to that business.
This idea that gay wedding cakes are somehow different than straight wedding cakes is completely absurd and just informs us that you don't have a leg to stand on with this argument.
Exactly right. There's no such thing as a "gay wedding cake." A wedding cake is made out of the same butter and sugar and flour and eggs whether it will be eaten at a straight wedding or a gay wedding. The baker will go through exactly the same process of mixing the batter and preparing the pans and decorating the finished cake whether the person buying that cake is gay or straight. That's what the bakery is responsible for, and that is the only thing the bakery should concern itself with. What a customer does with their property once they pay for it and walk out the door is none of the bakery's business.
I didn't say that they refused to do business with homosexuals. What I stated was if they offer a specific service they must provide that service equally and can't discriminate on who they offer and don't offer that service to. In this particular case wedding cakes are a service the bakery in question provides and under the law they aren't able to discriminate on who they offer that service to.
Secondly, the comparison between MLK fighting for Civil Rights and a business fighting for a right to discriminate is completely absurd.
Do these Christian bakers offer special order wedding cakes for same-sex marriage ceremonies to heterosexuals?
The issue is special order wedding cakes for same-sex weddings regardless of who orders the cake.
Originally Posted by Tyster View Post
The business owner cannot make such discriminations on the basis of the CUSTOMER race, religion, sexual orientation, etc... But they should be free to refuse a particular service if it violates the religious sensibility of the OWNER.
If they can provide a "reasonable accomidation" such as having someone else provide that service they can, however if not, and it is a service they offer, they can't discriminate on who they offer that service to.
OK, and then what should we do about laws some view as immoral?
Is the state correct in all it does such that all citizens must obey laws they deem unjust?
Is civil disobedience in the case of immoral laws justified or simply criminal behavior?
Was MLK wrong to disobey unjust laws?
Was the Solidarity movement wrong?
Was the White Rose Society wrong?
Were the Founders wrong?
This does not come close to the scale of blacks and the civil rights movement, laws such as these are in fact a product of that movement. Civil disobedience is a basic part of our society but it doesn't mean you're on the right side of history. The Weathermen, FALN, Black Panthers, Boston Tea Party were all fighting against what they thought were unjust laws, just be ready to accept the consequences when you lose.
There are many great values in religion that can be used in business but when it comes in conflict with someones rights it is an issue.
By the way there are many relgious people that don't necessarily carry over the teachings to business.
In this case, we are not talking about "real" rights. These are made-up rights. Sexual perversion does not deserve to be protected by law, and no one should be forced to be a party to it. THAT is in conflict with someone else's right, which is a genuine right that is guaranteed by the Constitution.
In this case, we are not talking about "real" rights. These are made-up rights. Sexual perversion does not deserve to be protected by law, and no one should be forced to be a party to it. THAT is in conflict with someone else's right, which is a genuine right that is guaranteed by the Constitution.
Sorry, but the law is wrong here.
So saith someone who has never known life as a minority.
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