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You and many others obviously do not think this through very carefully.
Ask yourself a simple question ...if you had a mind to rob someone, or hold up a convenience store, would you target someone with a .45 pistol strapped to their hip, or someone without a weapon?
Once upon a time, when common sense was more common, and society wasnt so conditioned to think backwards, honorable persons carried their weapons openly, while only the criminals and scoundrels would conceal a weapon. The criminal concealed his weapon in an effort to appear harmless, and not alert his would be victim to the hidden danger secretly approaching. Did you know that the common "handshake" came about as a gesture, showing one's hand was free of a weapon?
Now on the practical side of open carry ...
1) open carry allows everyone to know who is armed and who isn't. This makes for a more polite society, as folks tend to be less aggressive toward someone openly displaying a weapon.
2) open carry makes it safer for folks to go about their business, lessoning the likelihood of being accosted by another with ill intentions.
3) open carry makes it safer for police officers, as it is in their best interests to be able to visually identify who is armed and who isn't.
4) open carry gives the carrier much quicker access to his weapon for self defense, rather than struggling to access a firearm tucked away under layers of clothing, given that a would be criminal will likely already have his weapon positioned for quick, easy access.
5) last, but not least, open carry is a constitutionally protected right, which we have allowed ourselves to be stripped of, and should endeavor to restore, else eventually, the rest of our rights will disappear in similar fashion.
(1) alone is why open carry is stupid more often than not.
Here's a photo of a typical busy street. You can't control the distance between you and other people.
A criminal could come up behind you, whack you on the head with a piece of iron, grab your gun and be gone before anyone has a chance to realize what's going on.
Even in a less busy setting, you're a walking target. Your gun is worth more than a few hundred dollars on the black market. So a great incentive to take you out, and it doesn't have to be a face to face confrontation. Pretty much anyone with some practice can accurately hit a paper plate from 20 yards.
In other words, open carry is only sensible in a low crime area. Which sort of defeats the purpose.
There is absolutely nothing mystical or abstract about pure, elementary common sense. It's just become so uncommon these days, many no longer recognize what it looks like.
Nevertheless, a sign that reads "Gun Free Zone", has a calming effect on two types of individuals ... the law abiding citizen who has been conditioned to tremble at the sight of a firearm in the hands of someone other than a uniformed police officer, and of course, the criminal who surely prefers to be the only person in the room armed, among a gathering of helpless unarmed victims.
Here again, I'm not sure who should feel so qualified to speak for law abiding citizens, but I for one don't fit into either of your simple either/or categories. Go figure, if you can...
Reminds me of one of my favorite jokes. There are essentially 10 kinds of people, those who understand the binary system and those who don't.
(1) alone is why open carry is stupid more often than not.
Here's a photo of a typical busy street. You can't control the distance between you and other people.
A criminal could come up behind you, whack you on the head with a piece of iron, grab your gun and be gone before anyone has a chance to realize what's going on.
And THIS is your example? Because something that has a minuscule chance of happening is somehow valid? You watch too much tv.
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Even in a less busy setting, you're a walking target. Your gun is worth more than a few hundred dollars on the black market. So a great incentive to take you out, and it doesn't have to be a face to face confrontation.
oh sure that makes sense. Rob the person with the gun to sell it instead of robbing the person without the gun and selling their valuables. I guess that's why criminals rarely pick on the weak and defenseless, right?
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Pretty much anyone with some practice can accurately hit a paper plate from 20 yards.
So even though someone has a gun, they are going to steal one from someone walking down the street. Yea makes sense. So make sure you steal a different type of gun. Variety is best.
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In other words, open carry is only sensible in a low crime area. Which sort of defeats the purpose.
Because according to you there is a plethora of armed citizens being jumped and their guns are being taken.
Keep posting I can use the laughs.
1) open carry allows everyone to know who is armed and who isn't. This makes for a more polite society, as folks tend to be less aggressive toward someone openly displaying a weapon.
so... forcing people to be civil/docile through armed means and intimidation ...? That's why open carry should be allowed? Sounds like Texas gangs will be out in force soon. Or did the open carry law only apply to white people?
1) open carry allows everyone to know who is armed and who isn't. This makes for a more polite society, as folks tend to be less aggressive toward someone openly displaying a weapon.
Freedom through intimidation. Straight from the Trump playbook and policy manual.
And THIS is your example? Because something that has a minuscule chance of happening is somehow valid? You watch too much tv.
oh sure that makes sense. Rob the person with the gun to sell it instead of robbing the person without the gun and selling their valuables. I guess that's why criminals rarely pick on the weak and defenseless, right?
Your defense is in concealment - the criminal doesn't know whether you're armed, and where you keep your gun.
When you advertise the fact that you have a gun, and let everyone know it's location, you become a walking target. They have the element of surprise. You don't.
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So even though someone has a gun, they are going to steal one from someone walking down the street. Yea makes sense. So make sure you steal a different type of gun. Variety is best.
You do realize that guns are a hot commodity among the criminals who can't legally own them because of felony conviction ? Especially since a gun stolen from someone can't be easily traced back to criminal, unlike a gun legally purchased at gun store and then resold illegally.
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Because according to you there is a plethora of armed citizens being jumped and their guns are being taken.
No, because most are not stupid enough to walk around openly carrying, unless they are going to make a statement somewhere in a safe, low crime area.
I am yet to see anyone openly carrying here, even though it's legal in MI. I only see people carrying hunting rifles sometimes in the super safe Northern Michigan towns.
Try to strap a gun to your waist, out in the open, and walk around bad parts of Detroit. Alone.
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Keep posting I can use the laughs.
You know what they say about him who laughs the best...
You clearly have no clue, sorry to say. How old are you, eighteen ?
Instead of making open and concealed carry easier the new law is making it harder. I've seen more "no gun" signs going up than I saw before the new law - both 30.06 signs (no concealed carry) and 30.07 signs (no open carry).
“We have lost more than we gained,†said one frustrated poster to the online site TexasCHLforum.com, which invites discussion about concealed gun permit laws in the state. “This has woken up the ‘anti’ crowd in a big way.â€
“Places that were not concerned previously are taking sides because of the recent publicity,†said another.
The “concealed†part of concealed carry may have made it easy for business owners to just not think much about who is or isn’t toting a gun.
Now, with open carry as the law, they must be explicitly clear. Anecdotally, unhappy posters at the pro-gun site Texas3006.com report a rash of businesses putting up new signs banning both concealed and open firearms.
all those signs do is to let criminals know what stores are safest to rob. does anyone truly believe that a criminal will follow the law or care about that sign on the door or window?
some people really are sheep if they think that criminals give a damn about the law.
That's a whole lot of people you just branded there, which raises a bit of a question as to the qualifications to judge here, whether mentally qualified. Airports, schools, concert arenas and more to come.
Maybe statements like these ought to automatically disqualify all people who make them from intelligent discussions...
Open carry and conceal carry, in the courthouse!!!
They cannot deny, or even ask you to leave. Nor can they ask for your license, without you being accused of a crime.
The metal detectors have been moved to the courtroom doors, from the main courthouse entrance.
1. Question: If a person is open carrying a handgun, how does a police officer determine if he is carrying the handgun legally?
Answer: Constitutional carry did not pass in Texas, so a police officer has the right to ask you to prove that you have a CHL (Concealed Handgun License). If you are asked by a police officer to prove that you are allowed to carry a handgun, you must produce identification.
1. Question: If a person is open carrying a handgun, how does a police officer determine if he is carrying the handgun legally?
Answer: Constitutional carry did not pass in Texas, so a police officer has the right to ask you to prove that you have a CHL (Concealed Handgun License). If you are asked by a police officer to prove that you are allowed to carry a handgun, you must produce identification.
Nope, they must have probable cause that you have committed a crime, or it is a violation of your civil rights.
It is no different than police stopping people in the past, open carry.
Am I suspected of a crime? I don't even have to give them my name.
Let them know they are being videoed for their safety, and watch them go away.
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Speaking for the law-abiding citizen...
Because something that has a minuscule chance of happening is somehow valid? You watch too much tv.
