Who gave the order to our Sailors to stand down to the Iranians! (leader, claim)
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Since when do we surrender to an inferior force on the open seas.
I can't verify this but, I know a lot to be true.
"[SIZE=2]What a former Navy SEAL had to say about it.[/SIZE]
> Matt Bracken's thoughts: "I rarely pull out my dusty old trident, but in this case, here goes. I was a Navy SEAL officer in the 1980s, and this kind of operation (transiting small boats in foreign waters) was our bread and butter. Today, these boats both not only had radar, but multiple GPS devices, including chart plotters that place your boat's icon right on the chart. The claim by Iran that the USN boats "strayed into Iranian waters" is complete bull$#it.
> For an open-water transit between nations, the course is studied and planned in advance by the leaders of the Riverine Squadron, with specific attention given to staying wide and clear of any hostile nation's claimed territorial waters. The boats are given a complete mechanical check before departure, and they have sufficient fuel to accomplish their mission plus extra. If, for some unexplained and rare circumstance one boat broke down, the other would tow it, that's why two boats go on these trips and not one! It's called "self-rescue" and it's SOP.
> This entire situation is in my area of expertise. I can state with complete confidence that both Iran and our own State Department are lying. The boats did not enter Iranian waters. They were overtaken in international waters by Iranian patrol boats that were so superior in both speed and firepower that it became a "hands up!" situation, with automatic cannons in the 40mm to 76mm range pointed at them point-blank. Surrender, hands up, or be blown out of the water. I assume that the Iranians had an English speaker on a loudspeaker to make the demand. This take-down was no accident or coincidence, it was a planned slap across America's face.
> Just watch. The released sailors will be ordered not to say a word about the incident, and the Iranians will have taken every GPS device, chart-plotter etc off the boats, so that we will not be able to prove where our boats were taken.
> The "strayed into Iranian waters" story being put out by Iran and our groveling and appeasing State Dept. is utter and complete BS from one end to the other." - Matt Bracken Share so others are aware.
"[SIZE=2]What a former Navy SEAL had to say about it.[/SIZE]
> Matt Bracken's thoughts: "I rarely pull out my dusty old trident, but in this case, here goes. I was a Navy SEAL officer in the 1980s, and this kind of operation (transiting small boats in foreign waters) was our bread and butter. Today, these boats both not only had radar, but multiple GPS devices, including chart plotters that place your boat's icon right on the chart. The claim by Iran that the USN boats "strayed into Iranian waters" is complete bull$#it.
> For an open-water transit between nations, the course is studied and planned in advance by the leaders of the Riverine Squadron, with specific attention given to staying wide and clear of any hostile nation's claimed territorial waters. The boats are given a complete mechanical check before departure, and they have sufficient fuel to accomplish their mission plus extra. If, for some unexplained and rare circumstance one boat broke down, the other would tow it, that's why two boats go on these trips and not one! It's called "self-rescue" and it's SOP.
> This entire situation is in my area of expertise. I can state with complete confidence that both Iran and our own State Department are lying. The boats did not enter Iranian waters. They were overtaken in international waters by Iranian patrol boats that were so superior in both speed and firepower that it became a "hands up!" situation, with automatic cannons in the 40mm to 76mm range pointed at them point-blank. Surrender, hands up, or be blown out of the water. I assume that the Iranians had an English speaker on a loudspeaker to make the demand. This take-down was no accident or coincidence, it was a planned slap across America's face.
> Just watch. The released sailors will be ordered not to say a word about the incident, and the Iranians will have taken every GPS device, chart-plotter etc off the boats, so that we will not be able to prove where our boats were taken.
> The "strayed into Iranian waters" story being put out by Iran and our groveling and appeasing State Dept. is utter and complete BS from one end to the other." - Matt Bracken Share so others are aware.
The other explanation is that the boats were intentionally in Iranian waters on orders of our military.
In both cases, Iran/State are lying, in both cases released sailors will be ordered not to say a word about the incident, and in both cases the Iranians will have the devices, because it proves their story (or lack of veracity).
Hey I've been sent on missions, where I was across the wrong international border, orders were to wear insignia, play dumb, not engage even if attacked, but to bug out if possible and if not surrender and let the diplomats sort it out. I was never captured and put on TV, but good chance it would have happened if I had been.
"[SIZE=2]What a former Navy SEAL had to say about it.[/SIZE]
> Matt Bracken's thoughts: "I rarely pull out my dusty old trident, but in this case, here goes. I was a Navy SEAL officer in the 1980s, and this kind of operation (transiting small boats in foreign waters) was our bread and butter. Today, these boats both not only had radar, but multiple GPS devices, including chart plotters that place your boat's icon right on the chart. The claim by Iran that the USN boats "strayed into Iranian waters" is complete bull$#it.
> For an open-water transit between nations, the course is studied and planned in advance by the leaders of the Riverine Squadron, with specific attention given to staying wide and clear of any hostile nation's claimed territorial waters. The boats are given a complete mechanical check before departure, and they have sufficient fuel to accomplish their mission plus extra. If, for some unexplained and rare circumstance one boat broke down, the other would tow it, that's why two boats go on these trips and not one! It's called "self-rescue" and it's SOP.
> This entire situation is in my area of expertise. I can state with complete confidence that both Iran and our own State Department are lying. The boats did not enter Iranian waters. They were overtaken in international waters by Iranian patrol boats that were so superior in both speed and firepower that it became a "hands up!" situation, with automatic cannons in the 40mm to 76mm range pointed at them point-blank. Surrender, hands up, or be blown out of the water. I assume that the Iranians had an English speaker on a loudspeaker to make the demand. This take-down was no accident or coincidence, it was a planned slap across America's face.
> Just watch. The released sailors will be ordered not to say a word about the incident, and the Iranians will have taken every GPS device, chart-plotter etc off the boats, so that we will not be able to prove where our boats were taken.
> The "strayed into Iranian waters" story being put out by Iran and our groveling and appeasing State Dept. is utter and complete BS from one end to the other." - Matt Bracken Share so others are aware.
Sounds like nonsense. And they know precisely where our boats were taken. Tracking systems for boats have been common for 25 years.
What they did of course was enter a wrong coordinate. I expect they had a procedure to make that almost impossible but I expect they ignored it and simply plugged it in. I once saw the Captain of a small boat plot a course that ran through the middle of a good sized island. Problem was he did the course on a large scale map too large to show the island.
They issue of course is they could never defend if caught by a larger boat so they surrender. I would suspect the US might have contested it even in Iranian waters if they could have gotten assets on the scene. But this was probably a better outcome.
The other explanation is that the boats were intentionally in Iranian waters on orders of our military.
In both cases, Iran/State are lying, in both cases released sailors will be ordered not to say a word about the incident, and in both cases the Iranians will have the devices, because it proves their story (or lack of veracity).
Hey I've been sent on missions, where I was across the wrong international border, orders were to wear insignia, play dumb, not engage even if attacked, but to bug out if possible and if not surrender and let the diplomats sort it out. I was never captured and put on TV, but good chance it would have happened if I had been.
Sounds like nonsense. And they know precisely where our boats were taken. Tracking systems for boats have been common for 25 years.
What they did of course was enter a wrong coordinate. I expect they had a procedure to make that almost impossible but I expect they ignored it and simply plugged it in. I once saw the Captain of a small boat plot a course that ran through the middle of a good sized island. Problem was he did the course on a large scale map too large to show the island.
They issue of course is they could never defend if caught by a larger boat so they surrender. I would suspect the US might have contested it even in Iranian waters if they could have gotten assets on the scene. But this was probably a better outcome.
"Sounds like nonsense", "I expect"
And why should anyone believe you over the writer of the letter? because you "expect".
And why should anyone believe you over the writer of the letter? because you "expect".
What credentials do you have?
As pointed out, we know EXACTLY where the ships were, GPS removed or not. Unless Iraq has the ability to shoot down satellites we have their complete mission tracked.
So then are you saying that the Military never gets tasked by the CIA to perform certain missions or operations? And the CIA is a US government agency is it not?
Seriously the same charges you're leveling at Iran can just as easily be leveled at the US, and the US has a far longer record of violations of sovereignty than Iran does, and the same behaviors would be subsequently displayed by both sides in that same situation. The sole difference is who chose to act in a way that caused the incident, and the weight of history isn't on the side of the US, since 1946 we've been violating someones sovereignty regularly for surveillance or other purposes. So my money is it isn't the Iranians.
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