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Old 04-15-2016, 08:32 AM
 
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I agree, but the list for denying services would be a very short one.

Let's say you advertise as an outdoors and sporting events photographer and videographer. You may have filmed fishing or duck hunting, and filmed plants and wild animals in nature.

Let's say a man comes to your studio and wants you to film his wolf hunt, and film him skinning and ultimately mounting his wolf head trophy, as an instructional video for his blog or Facebook page.

If you are a dog lover and feel you would be revolted or even traumatized by this job, can you tell the man you'd rather not take on this job? Can you politely suggest he find another studio, or are you a slave to the general public and you must take on every job that comes your way?
Exactly.
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Old 04-15-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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I don't see a Bill of Rights that permits racial discrimination. And you have yet to name the organized religion that banned/bans the social mixing of races.
And ANOTHER dodge instead of answering a simple question.

A yes or no will do.
Do YOU believe that the Piggy Park ruling was wrong?
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Old 04-15-2016, 08:41 AM
 
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You have to read the First Amendment to determine that:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
And AGAIN not answering a simple question.
Care to try again?

Do YOU believe that the 1st amendment rights are absolute?
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Old 04-15-2016, 08:44 AM
 
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Again... sexual orientation is not a federally protected class. Obama and the Dems had a chance to add that when they had the Presidency, House, and Senate from 2009 to 2011, but they did not do so.
And ENDA has been sitting in congress for a while now. How is the president supposed to force them to vote on any bill?
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Old 04-15-2016, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The mistake you're making is not understanding that morality is relative. For example, ISIL/ISIS believes that it's "moral" to behead Christians and drown them in cages, and many Muslim countries believe that it's "moral" to punish homosexuals with death..
Nope. I've said practically the same thing more than once.
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Old 04-15-2016, 08:46 AM
 
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Except they are not buying it in the bakery like a batch of cookies, they are contracting to have it made for their wedding. We have no idea what specifications they may have requested, majority of people customize but that is not even relevant. It takes a lot of time and effort to make each specific cake, it isn't a factory job. A wedding cake is very personal and symbolic, like a wedding dress which also may just be used once at the ceremony.
And contracted services offered by a public accommodation fall under the laws regulating businesses.

The two couples did not request ANY specifications, because they were both turned away before that was discussed per the owners own words in their court depositions.
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Old 04-15-2016, 08:48 AM
 
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So... can you EXPLAIN why Obama and the Dems neglected to include LGBT as a federally protected class when they had the Presidency, House, and Senate in 2009-2011?
Nope. I can't tell you why. Any more than I can tell you why the Republicans who say they want to reform health care never did despite having numerous Republican presidents over the years. Or why they failed to stop illegal immigration under such presidents.
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Old 04-15-2016, 08:50 AM
 
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And ANOTHER dodge instead of answering a simple question.
That's not a dodge. The First Amendment guarantees the right to exercise one's religion. Which organized religion forbids the social mixing of races?
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Old 04-15-2016, 08:52 AM
 
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And ENDA has been sitting in congress for a while now. How is the president supposed to force them to vote on any bill?
Why wouldn't Pelosi and Reid have their respective Representatives and Senators vote on it in 2009-2011?
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Old 04-15-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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Nope. I've said practically the same thing more than once.
Then don't stake any claims on any supposed moral superiority you may feel.
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