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Old 04-14-2016, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Allowing businesses to determine who they will serve based on religious beliefs is a very slippery slope. How far do you go with that, do you refuse to serve divorcees, people that drink alcohol or sleep around. The other part is how do they even determine if they are selling to a same sex couple in most instances, some may be pretty obvious, others not so much.
You would have to. How a Christian baker can make a divorce cake or a common-law marriage cake but not a wedding cake for homosexuals is beyond me. You either are a Christian who turns the other cheek (something I'd prefer) or you criticize all the sinners (even though you should hate the sin, not the person committing it.)
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Old 04-14-2016, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Instead of investing money to help people, these wealthy celebrities are turning their backs on the communities they say need protection.

I posted this on another thread, but it's what I've been talking about here. I always liked Cyndi Lauper!

Cyndi Lauper — I'm Fighting Anti-LGBT Laws in My Own Way | BiznessWeb: Last News in on place updated every hour

"Cyndi tells TMZ she will donate all profits from her June 4th show in Raleigh to Equality North Carolina — an organization fighting to get HB2 overturned. She says, “I think the best way I can do my part is to turn my show into an entire day to build public support to repeal HB2.” Her manager and agent will also donate their commissions."

People should show their support by showing up, not running away.
It still generates tax revenue for an opresive state. As I mentioned before in a reply, it's no win. The BEST way is to re-route tours and also donate to these causes anyway. Donating the proceeds from a show in that state still gives the state their cut. Some people never learn do they?
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Old 04-14-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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It still generates tax revenue for an opresive state. As I mentioned before in a reply, it's no win. The BEST way is to re-route tours and also donate to these causes anyway. Donating the proceeds from a show in that state still gives the state their cut. Some people never learn do they?
When you take away revenue, you are also hurting programs to help the needy. In most cases, when a state begins to lose money, the wealthy aren't the ones who suffer. You are also punishing people who support LGBT rights, including the LGBT community.

So I guess while you're calling me an idiot, you're also calling Cyndi Lauper and Jimmy Buffet one too.



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Old 04-14-2016, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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When you take away revenue, you are also hurting programs to help the needy. In most cases, when a state begins to lose money, the wealthy aren't the ones who suffer. You are also punishing people who support LGBT rights, including the LGBT community.

So I guess while you're calling me an idiot, you're also calling Cyndi Lauper and Jimmy Buffet one too.



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Maybe the legislature should have thought about the lost revenue before passing the law. Not that it really matters, because MS already is in debt, and cutting education and social service funding all the time.
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Old 04-14-2016, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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When you take away revenue, you are also hurting programs to help the needy. In most cases, when a state begins to lose money, the wealthy aren't the ones who suffer. You are also punishing people who support LGBT rights, including the LGBT community.

So I guess while you're calling me an idiot, you're also calling Cyndi Lauper and Jimmy Buffet one too.



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Cyndi Lauper is not even that good IMHO. All I am saying is a state that writes laws like this deserve economic fallout. Arizona faced it with SB-1070 and acsin wifh a similar bill to this one in Mississippi. Protesting while performing for money in that state don't work, economic boycotting does. Despite Arizona's stupidity, their bill never got passed due to threats of economic boycott.
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Old 04-14-2016, 03:41 PM
 
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Let the businesses cater to whomever they wish. This shouldn't even be an issue. The public will decide whether to support those businesses or not. If someone won't bake you a cupcake, go find someone else who will. The government doesn't need to step in and decide for any of us how we're going to live our lives and run our businesses.

Shame on the gays for bringing this upon us.
Shame on the religious people for the same thing.
Now more than ever we have government dictating our actions. That was never their job to do. We left England to get away from a King. But now we have thousands of kings.
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Old 04-14-2016, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Let the businesses cater to whomever they wish. This shouldn't even be an issue. The public will decide whether to support those businesses or not. If someone won't bake you a cupcake, go find someone else who will. The government doesn't need to step in and decide for any of us how we're going to live our lives and run our businesses.

Shame on the gays for bringing this upon us.
Shame on the religious people for the same thing.
Now more than ever we have government dictating our actions. That was never their job to do. We left England to get away from a King. But now we have thousands of kings.
You might want to look into the civil rights act and the reason for it when discussing businesses being able to serve whomever they wish.
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Old 04-14-2016, 05:00 PM
 
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Then they should not offer wedding cakes for sale.

I can give examples of businesses claiming that their religious beliefs forbade them from serving everyone too, the courts don't seem to side with them.
At least you acknowledge that business transactions can impinge upon religious beliefs. Your solution is one option. I recall a hotel in Vermont refused to host a ssm reception, was sued, lost, and then refused to host any wedding receptions.


The courts have placed religious beliefs below statutory non-discrimination laws. That's what I said in the first place.


So, while employers are required to make 'reasonable' accommodations for an employee's religious beliefs, business owners receive little accommodation for their religious beliefs.
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Old 04-14-2016, 05:22 PM
 
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You might want to look into the civil rights act and the reason for it when discussing businesses being able to serve whomever they wish.



Nobody is refusing to serve homosexuals. It is about having the right to refuse certain requests made by homosexuals...or anyone else for that matter. Those decisions should remain with the business owner, not the customer and certainly not the government.
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Old 04-14-2016, 05:27 PM
 
Location: South Park, San Diego
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Nobody is refusing to serve homosexuals. It is about having the right to refuse certain requests made by homosexuals...or anyone else for that matter. Those decisions should remain with the business owner, not the customer and certainly not the government.
"Certain requests" like a cake from a baker or a meal from a restaurant or a room in a hotel. Damn Gays always demanding special treatment that nobody else does wherever they go!
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