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Are you in favor of restricting rights to certain groups you've singled out as objectionable?
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Are you in favor of expanding rights for American citizens?
Your answers to those questions pretty much determines your political outlook on social issues.
Agreed.
Although I will often side with a Conservative point of view, such as the "gay wedding cake" discussion, I actually take a Libertarian view on most social issues.....live and let live.
For example, I have no issue with gays getting married....frankly I could care less.
But my indifference is not based on any type of Left wing social justice point of view, but rather on the fact that the government is not granted any constitutional powers to regulate who can marry who.
Frankly, it's none of their business.
I take the same view of religious freedom on the side of a Christian baker even though I'm not particularly religious....because they, like any business, should be able to choose how to run their business in accordance with their religious beliefs.....or lack thereof.
If you don't agree with gay marriage.....don't marry someone of the same sex...simple as that.
But don't pretend that you are being righteous in forcing someone to preform a service for you that goes against their religious beliefs either.
Especially when that same service is readily available elsewhere.
"We don't sell cakes that will be used in gay weddings" is the same as "we don't sell cakes that will be used in black weddings." It's still discrimination, no matter how you slice it.
Your gun store example doesn't apply, since there are laws specifically against knowingly supplying someone with a firearm that plans on using it for a crime. Gay marriage is legal in Oregon, where the gay wedding cake story happened. Not a crime.
Gay marriage is a sin in the eyes of a Christian baker.
There is nothing in Christianity that says being black is a sin or a crime.
Forcing someone to participate in a ceremony that their religion says is a sin is tyranny, even in a seemingly small and insignificant way as making a cake.
Especially when you can easily obtain that same service from someone else.
The whole reason for wanting to force the baker to comply is all about punishing them for their religious views and not accepting your notions of morality. Anyone who says different is full of bovine manure.
"Live and let live" means finding a baker that will happily provide you with that service (SOMETHING THAT IS VERY EASILY DONE) and giving them your business instead of trying to force your morality on the Christian baker.
I take the same view of religious freedom on the side of a Christian baker even though I'm not particularly religious....because they, like any business, should be able to choose how to run their business in accordance with their religious beliefs.....or lack thereof.
If you don't agree with gay marriage.....don't marry someone of the same sex...simple as that.
But don't pretend that you are being righteous in forcing someone to preform a service for you that goes against their religious beliefs either.
Especially when that same service is readily available elsewhere.
That same "argument" was used 50+ years ago to justify racial discrimination. It just doesn't hold water. If you have a business to serve the public, then serving the public is what you need to do. Not pick and choose who want to serve.
On the other hand, if you set up your business as a private club, then you're free to serve only those you've allowed to gain membership. That's an option for those who like to restrict others' options.
That same "argument" was used 50+ years ago to justify racial discrimination. It just doesn't hold water. If you have a business to serve the public, then serving the public is what you need to do. Not pick and choose who want to serve.
On the other hand, if you set up your business as a private club, then you're free to serve only those you've allowed to gain membership. That's an option for those who like to restrict others' options.
No. It is not the same argument. There is nothing in Christianity that says being black is a sin.
Just because some people tried to use religion as justification for racisim does not mean its the same argument.
Again, the baker is not refusing to serve gay customers.
They are refusing to provide a cake that will be used in a ceremony that their religion says is a sin.
Gay marriage is a sin in the eyes of a Christian baker.
There is nothing in Christianity that says being black is a sin or a crime.
Forcing someone to participate in a ceremony that their religion says is a sin is tyranny, even in a seemingly small and insignificant way as making a cake.
Especially when you can easily obtain that same service from someone else.
The whole reason for wanting to force the baker to comply is all about punishing them for their religious views and not accepting your notions of morality. Anyone who says different is full of bovine manure.
"Live and let live" means finding a baker that will happily provide you with that service (SOMETHING THAT IS VERY EASILY DONE) and giving them your business instead of trying to force your morality on the Christian baker.
The US is not a theocracy. And we "force morality" all the time based on your definition. "Child porn is wrong" is morality "pushed on everyone". I'm sure we both agree that child pornography is wrong and should be illegal. Those laws only seem like tyranny to pedophiles.
We all have to play by the same rules (laws). If you don't like them, you're free to move elsewhere.
You're talking about opinion vs law. Pedophiles think child porn should be legal, and that's their opinion. The law says otherwise.
State law is just an opinion too...an opinion with a gun behind it.
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