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source website is very biased towards right-wing views. hard to trust
I Find their conclusion extremely unlikely. Christianity has largely faded away in Western Europe, and religion is the biggest motivator of pro-life views
LGBT rights are far ahead in Western Europe as well
I continue to believe that Democrats should, in fact, abolish abortion. Most abortions are done by low-income Democrat women who terminate their would-be Democrat chidlren. Long term, the Republican party's abolishment of abortion would ultimately doom their party in demographics.
Check Guttmacher Institute's data if you don't believe me.
If you look at the world, every country that has abolished abortion has moved to economic systems that are more left-wing than the US'
The reason for this is simple. If poor people can't abort, more poor people are brought into the society. More poor people, more poverty. More poverty, more left-wing economic policies. Happens every single friggin' time.
The weird thing is that abortion is effectively what right-wingers want in immigration policy. Keep the poor out. By force. So we can all get richer.
I agree on imposing a 12 week limit, with the exception of babies with birth defects.
But the waiting period requirement would be much more of a burden for Americans than for people in Western Europe. In some states, there are only a handful of abortion providers, often overburdened with patients. There's a lot more effort here to shut clinics down altogether. For most in Western Europe, abortion remains relatively more accessible to most, so the required waiting period isn't such a hardship.
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Thank you Dr. Mengele!
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Google 'Harlequin babies' and tell me you honestly think women should still be forced to birth the baby with conditions like that.
Better question is, should they be required to abort a baby with serious malformations and why, or why not?
What criteria should be employed to determine which babies must be aborted and which shall be allowed to live with their deformities?
Who should be in charge of making these determinations and why?
I consider myself to be pro-choice and progressive on many issues, however, I don't look to Europe for anything in relation to our US society. Europe is not the US and Europe is a continent, not a country. I am aware that in Europe they do have much more restrictions on abortion and other things versus the US, IMO that makes them not likely to gain my adoration/favor.
I think it is odd that conservatives who made the video in the link think that "progressives" put some sort of pedestal status on Europe. Most progressives and liberals I know like some things about Europe but not others.
But FWIW, I do admire many Western Europeans nations for their dedication to paid maternity/paternity leave and high quality early education. I think in general Europe is much more family oriented versus the US and as such, I understand why they have more restrictive abortion services as a result.
In other words you admit the American left is far more radical than even the European left!
I think the American left is far more socially liberal than most Europeans, even though the left likes to hold Europe up as a model.
In other words you admit the American left is far more radical than even the European left!
I think the American left is far more socially liberal than most Europeans, even though the left likes to hold Europe up as a model.
Don't know where you got that conclusion. Europe is much more far left than America. Their right is not even "right" IMO in Europe lol.
I think, as stated earlier, that many Western European countries value family more than Americans. Due to that and due to the fact that they have universal healthcare and a wide variety of free birth control options, that they do not feel they should be providing abortion services like we do.
When you have unlimited contraception, the need for abortion decreases. Unfortunately too many super far right anti-abortionist even consider the pill to be an "abortifacent" and they don't want people to have access to contraception. IMO encouraging contraception leads to a decrease demand for abortion services.
But as stated above, no that is not what I stated or "admitted." IMO Europe is much more left than America.
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