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1. Physically split the country in half between Conservativeville and Liberalville. I suggest the border runs north to south so that both sides get a variety of warm and cold places to live.
2. Make it voluntary. Every US adult over 18 gets to choose if they want to live in Liberalville or Conservativeville and has to physically relocate if they are living on the wrong side. If you are under 18 you go with your parents until you turn 18 and then you can choose, too.
3. The kind of government structure each side wants is determined by them. We may still have states on one side but not on the other, for example. You get 1 year to transition. Current governors will help with the transition.
4. We will assume the sides are friendly with each other for travel and trade with each other but obviously all treaties with other countries will have to be renegotiated by each side.
This is what I see happening:
All criminals will choose to live in Liberalville where they can expect lighter sentences or no sentences, less arrests. Crime will be bad in Liberalville. Despite the police unions, I expect law enforcement to primarily choose Conservativeville where the law enforcement is respected, the arrests they make will actually lead to jail time and they get their jobs based on merit/test scores not on some government mandate to hire more women and minorities. Because minorities will earn their jobs just like everyone else in Conservativeville, they will be more respected in every industry.
The homeless will all choose Liberalville where you won't judge them for sleeping on your doorstep, peeing in the street and yelling curses at you.
All of the welfare recipients will choose Liberalville so you libs who work, better plan on working long hours because you will be shouldering the financial burden with half the people you have now. For tax purposes all Liberalville workers will be considered wealthy.
I expect illegal immigration won't look as good in Liberalville, as it does now, because you will have lost the political voting incentive to encourage it if you are all libs and will all feel the burden of the cost that goes with open borders. I actually expect legal immigrant entrepreneurs to choose Conservativeville...(so we'll have the better restaurants ) because making it with their own work, sweat and time is their dream, too. Stinkin' government red tape/regulation is just as much a pain in the butt for them. They will also greatly contribute to Conservativeville society rather than be a drain on it.
Liberalville will of course outlaw guns. I see Liberalville overtaken in less than 7 years because they won't defend themselves, will have a small military and will be "easy pickings" for an aggressive country. I see most of the members of the military choosing Conservativeville. Maybe you can talk the "bad countries" out of attacking you in Liberalville.
Conservativeville will be the place with the cheap domestic energy. Those of you in Liberalville will all be riding your bicycles to work and to shop as soon as you discover electricity doesn't grow on trees. I'm just trying to figure out if you will import those bikes from Conservativeville where the bike manufacturers will prefer to do business due to less regulation and lower taxes.
Dopers will choose Liberalville because you won't be judgmental and arrest them and will give them needles and the dope they crave.
The fashion and entertainment will be in Liberalville however, the fashion and entertainment industries want to make money, too, so they will sell to Conservativeville.
We'll have the farms in Conservativeville, too, because we'll let them have access to water and won't over-regulate them. Maybe in Liberalville, you'll just eat your murdered babies.
Conservativeville will celebrate traditional holidays like Chanukah and Christmas where as in Liberalville you will celebrate Snow Season so as not to offend anyone.
The terrorists, where will they go? On the one hand, you social liberals creep them out. On the other hand, Liberalville is more likely to welcome Sharia Law as part of their diversity initiatives and a terrorist could be elected President of Liberalville or at the very least be a Senior Advisor to your female President. They could be looking at over-scrutiny and the death penalty in Conservativeville.
Don't pooh-pooh this post. Joe Biden wanted to divide Iraq into 3 regions (Sunni, Kurd, Shiite) and the "smartest man in the world" picked him for Vice President.
Well stated. An earlier poster said that "Liberalville" would be broke and begging "Conservativeville" for money in 50 years, but I think it would be much sooner than that. Regardless, your post sums up well how things would go, though I disagree about the guns and takeovers from other countries. More likely, within a few years they would elect a far left Bernie Sanders type character who would promise to nationalize oil and other industries to provide "cheap gas" and other goodies and from there the two parts of the US would go in a direction not all too different from North and South Korea.
And I am certain, without a shadow of doubt in my mind, that within 10 or 20 years the narrative would become that "Conservativeville" is racist and sexist and is the cause for all the failures in "Liberalville", because liberals refuse to take blame for any of their mismanagement and always race to find the nearest white conservative male to blame, even if he's hundreds of miles away (see Flint, Michigan).
SECESSION - NOT AN OPTION
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The united States of America were instituted to secure the rights of the people - not the privileges of the citizens - who had surrendered rights and powers in exchange for political liberty. Nor is partisanship a legitimate excuse.
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Servant governments and their subject citizens have no authority to secede from the perpetual union that benefits the SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.
Frankly, the southern states could have accomplished their goal by their governments resigning en masse and their people withdrawing from subject citizenship. Then there would have been no one subject to the Federal government or its constitution.
But they didn’t and Abraham Lincoln was correct in preserving the Union at all cost. For if the Confederacy succeeded in leaving the Union, both would have been weaker. And such weakness only benefits the predators. Just like disarmament only benefits the criminals, not the harmless people.
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One reason why the confederate states didn't merely withdraw consent from the democracy and return to the republican form, was that there is no slavery under the republican form. Sovereigns without subjects cannot own chattel slaves. Slavery was a TAXABLE PRIVILEGE granted by the democratic form of government. Thus, the southern states violated the perpetual union, created in 1777, by the Articles of Confederation, in order to preserve slavery as well as end their diminished political influence in the Union.
I completely disagree, the liberals and conservatives are great to each other. We need to keep the extremists out of politics as much as possible. I personally want to see as few socialists, social conservatives, and anarchists in power.
Both sides would have major problems, too far left or too far right is a bad thing. Just like liberalism, pure conservatism is not a good thing. We would end up with prohibitions against all sorts of things, perhaps alcohol like during the Prohibition, public universities and education would see all sorts of funding problems, if they even existed. Crime would be rampant on the conservative side as people will want things that would be illegal, organized crime would become a huge problem. I also think that conservatives are overly optimistic that entrepreneurs would only go to conservative areas. California, New York, Washington state, and other liberal areas have tons and tons of entrepreneurs and up and coming companies. On the liberal side there will always be those business people and individuals who get tired of the taxation and government regulation, but don't want to live in a theocracy or social conservative dream world. I don't want to live in either and I think it's an awful idea to split the country into a liberal and conservative side. The people who typically come up with these "ideas" are the reason I wouldn't want the country to split. Nothing's asking for tyranny like purifying a country of it's political differences.
I was thinking, we're split approximately 50/50, Liberal vs. Conservative - Democrat vs. Republican with irreconcilable differences. Why not just acknowledge this and divide the country in half? Independents like myself would have to make a choice over which country to join, USA-D or USA-R
This is nuts, we fight endlessly, let's just agree to disagree and split up already!
Na. Let's not split on party lines. Let's split on worldview lines. That way, we'd have 70 percent of the country going the right way, and the progressive liberals can be free to screw their own country up with socialism.
I was thinking, we're split approximately 50/50, Liberal vs. Conservative - Democrat vs. Republican with irreconcilable differences. Why not just acknowledge this and divide the country in half? Independents like myself would have to make a choice over which country to join, USA-D or USA-R
This is nuts, we fight endlessly, let's just agree to disagree and split up already!
1. Physically split the country in half between Conservativeville and Liberalville. I suggest the border runs north to south so that both sides get a variety of warm and cold places to live.
2. Make it voluntary. Every US adult over 18 gets to choose if they want to live in Liberalville or Conservativeville and has to physically relocate if they are living on the wrong side. If you are under 18 you go with your parents until you turn 18 and then you can choose, too.
3. The kind of government structure each side wants is determined by them. We may still have states on one side but not on the other, for example. You get 1 year to transition. Current governors will help with the transition.
4. We will assume the sides are friendly with each other for travel and trade with each other but obviously all treaties with other countries will have to be renegotiated by each side.
This is what I see happening:
All criminals will choose to live in Liberalville where they can expect lighter sentences or no sentences, less arrests. Crime will be bad in Liberalville. Despite the police unions, I expect law enforcement to primarily choose Conservativeville where the law enforcement is respected, the arrests they make will actually lead to jail time and they get their jobs based on merit/test scores not on some government mandate to hire more women and minorities. Because minorities will earn their jobs just like everyone else in Conservativeville, they will be more respected in every industry.
The homeless will all choose Liberalville where you won't judge them for sleeping on your doorstep, peeing in the street and yelling curses at you.
All of the welfare recipients will choose Liberalville so you libs who work, better plan on working long hours because you will be shouldering the financial burden with half the people you have now. For tax purposes all Liberalville workers will be considered wealthy.
I expect illegal immigration won't look as good in Liberalville, as it does now, because you will have lost the political voting incentive to encourage it if you are all libs and will all feel the burden of the cost that goes with open borders. I actually expect legal immigrant entrepreneurs to choose Conservativeville...(so we'll have the better restaurants ) because making it with their own work, sweat and time is their dream, too. Stinkin' government red tape/regulation is just as much a pain in the butt for them. They will also greatly contribute to Conservativeville society rather than be a drain on it.
Liberalville will of course outlaw guns. I see Liberalville overtaken in less than 7 years because they won't defend themselves, will have a small military and will be "easy pickings" for an aggressive country. I see most of the members of the military choosing Conservativeville. Maybe you can talk the "bad countries" out of attacking you in Liberalville.
Conservativeville will be the place with the cheap domestic energy. Those of you in Liberalville will all be riding your bicycles to work and to shop as soon as you discover electricity doesn't grow on trees. I'm just trying to figure out if you will import those bikes from Conservativeville where the bike manufacturers will prefer to do business due to less regulation and lower taxes.
Dopers will choose Liberalville because you won't be judgmental and arrest them and will give them needles and the dope they crave.
The fashion and entertainment will be in Liberalville however, the fashion and entertainment industries want to make money, too, so they will sell to Conservativeville.
We'll have the farms in Conservativeville, too, because we'll let them have access to water and won't over-regulate them. Maybe in Liberalville, you'll just eat your murdered babies.
Conservativeville will celebrate traditional holidays like Chanukah and Christmas where as in Liberalville you will celebrate Snow Season so as not to offend anyone.
The terrorists, where will they go? On the one hand, you social liberals creep them out. On the other hand, Liberalville is more likely to welcome Sharia Law as part of their diversity initiatives and a terrorist could be elected President of Liberalville or at the very least be a Senior Advisor to your female President. They could be looking at over-scrutiny and the death penalty in Conservativeville.
Don't pooh-pooh this post. Joe Biden wanted to divide Iraq into 3 regions (Sunni, Kurd, Shiite) and the "smartest man in the world" picked him for Vice President.
Funny post First of all, if Biden was running against Hillary, he would win the nomination and ultimately the presidency. Ok, moving on, I would choose to live in liberalville. I don't want to live in an all inclusive area. I want to live in a society where everyone is accepted. And that doesn't seem to be conservativeville. How would they react if a transgender or gay decided to live there. I doubt this conservativeville would be accepting of them. And you obviously don't live near a city since many liberals bike to work. lol
America is a large country with a diverse population. One that contains multiple ethnic groups, heterosexuals, homosexuals, atheists, religious believers, and agnostics.
No matter how hard anyone tries to avoid speaking with bias, politics stirs up strong passions.
why is this country so divided? well, many reasons. systemic ossification; widening inequality and diverse responses to it; scapegoating, bigotry, and stereotyping; immense regional differences; frustration everywhere; the triumph of plutocracy; the downfall of humanist education; etc, etc, etc.
In many European countries there are a dozen or more political parties. We only have two most important ones, and third party candidate never even had a chance.
well, People (and politics) are not single-dimensional, but multi-dimensional. This better model can be seen in 2-dimensional political charts like Nolan's, and many others.
Both the authoritarian left and right and authoritarian at the core, and frequently have more to do with each other. Far left and far right, both are pretty much the same.
First of all, if Biden was running against Hillary, he would win the nomination and ultimately the presidency.
Biden with all his racist gaffes? His racist remarks would be running in ads 24/7 leading up to the election.
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First of all, if Biden was running against Hillary, he would win the nomination and ultimately the presidency. Ok, moving on, I would choose to live in liberalville. I don't want to live in an all inclusive area. I want to live in a society where everyone is accepted. And that doesn't seem to be conservativeville. How would they react if a transgender or gay decided to live there. I doubt this conservativeville would be accepting of them. And you obviously don't live near a city since many liberals bike to work. lol
