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1. Physically split the country in half between Conservativeville and Liberalville. I suggest the border runs north to south so that both sides get a variety of warm and cold places to live.
2. Make it voluntary. Every US adult over 18 gets to choose if they want to live in Liberalville or Conservativeville and has to physically relocate if they are living on the wrong side. If you are under 18 you go with your parents until you turn 18 and then you can choose, too.
3. The kind of government structure each side wants is determined by them. We may still have states on one side but not on the other, for example. You get 1 year to transition. Current governors will help with the transition.
4. We will assume the sides are friendly with each other for travel and trade with each other but obviously all treaties with other countries will have to be renegotiated by each side.
This is what I see happening:
All criminals will choose to live in Liberalville where they can expect lighter sentences or no sentences, less arrests. Crime will be bad in Liberalville. Despite the police unions, I expect law enforcement to primarily choose Conservativeville where the law enforcement is respected, the arrests they make will actually lead to jail time and they get their jobs based on merit/test scores not on some government mandate to hire more women and minorities. Because minorities will earn their jobs just like everyone else in Conservativeville, they will be more respected in every industry.
The homeless will all choose Liberalville where you won't judge them for sleeping on your doorstep, peeing in the street and yelling curses at you.
All of the welfare recipients will choose Liberalville so you libs who work, better plan on working long hours because you will be shouldering the financial burden with half the people you have now. For tax purposes all Liberalville workers will be considered wealthy.
I expect illegal immigration won't look as good in Liberalville, as it does now, because you will have lost the political voting incentive to encourage it if you are all libs and will all feel the burden of the cost that goes with open borders. I actually expect legal immigrant entrepreneurs to choose Conservativeville...(so we'll have the better restaurants ) because making it with their own work, sweat and time is their dream, too. Stinkin' government red tape/regulation is just as much a pain in the butt for them. They will also greatly contribute to Conservativeville society rather than be a drain on it.
Liberalville will of course outlaw guns. I see Liberalville overtaken in less than 7 years because they won't defend themselves, will have a small military and will be "easy pickings" for an aggressive country. I see most of the members of the military choosing Conservativeville. Maybe you can talk the "bad countries" out of attacking you in Liberalville.
Conservativeville will be the place with the cheap domestic energy. Those of you in Liberalville will all be riding your bicycles to work and to shop as soon as you discover electricity doesn't grow on trees. I'm just trying to figure out if you will import those bikes from Conservativeville where the bike manufacturers will prefer to do business due to less regulation and lower taxes.
Dopers will choose Liberalville because you won't be judgmental and arrest them and will give them needles and the dope they crave.
The fashion and entertainment will be in Liberalville however, the fashion and entertainment industries want to make money, too, so they will sell to Conservativeville.
We'll have the farms in Conservativeville, too, because we'll let them have access to water and won't over-regulate them. Maybe in Liberalville, you'll just eat your murdered babies.
Conservativeville will celebrate traditional holidays like Chanukah and Christmas where as in Liberalville you will celebrate Snow Season so as not to offend anyone.
The terrorists, where will they go? On the one hand, you social liberals creep them out. On the other hand, Liberalville is more likely to welcome Sharia Law as part of their diversity initiatives and a terrorist could be elected President of Liberalville or at the very least be a Senior Advisor to your female President. They could be looking at over-scrutiny and the death penalty in Conservativeville.
Don't pooh-pooh this post. Joe Biden wanted to divide Iraq into 3 regions (Sunni, Kurd, Shiite) and the "smartest man in the world" picked him for Vice President.
I want whatever weed you smoked when you thought this up
I was thinking, we're split approximately 50/50, Liberal vs. Conservative - Democrat vs. Republican with irreconcilable differences. Why not just acknowledge this and divide the country in half? Independents like myself would have to make a choice over which country to join, USA-D or USA-R
This is nuts, we fight endlessly, let's just agree to disagree and split up already!
I say take it a step further and make each state literally its own little country.
It would be funny to see just how much more prosperous Texas would be compared to California once both states didn't have to adhere to federal law. I would love to see the reaction when Red countries reject immigration from the white liberals fleeing from blue countries after a decade or so of retarded policy turns their little utopias into 3rd world countries.
Countries like Alabama would become amazing places to live after all their trash flees to blue countries for free ****. They would open their doors singing kum ba yah, while the red countries would be singing...............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M
I was thinking, we're split approximately 50/50, Liberal vs. Conservative - Democrat vs. Republican with irreconcilable differences. Why not just acknowledge this and divide the country in half? Independents like myself would have to make a choice over which country to join, USA-D or USA-R
This is nuts, we fight endlessly, let's just agree to disagree and split up already!
It's not as bad as it may seem. This particular forum is just a magnet for angry, uneducated blue collar types, who come here to vent their frustrations and anger.
And you left out the vibrant economies of Alabama and Mississippi, the fatherland of right wing, racist, homophobic ignorance, both consistently "on the dole."
I used to think this was a crazy idea. But more and more I think it makes perfect sense. Especially because of my children. Kids don't really care all that much about geography (i.e. which state they grow up in). But they DO deserve a good, safe future.
As for me personally, many of the "geographic" ideas and facts which used to mean a lot to me don't really matter much anymore. What DOES matter more and more is living around people with whom I share basic values. I no longer feel that is the case. There are massive numbers of Americans who I have almost nothing in common with. We don't share even the most basic values. I don't really want to be part of the same country as these folks anymore.
So yes, I think it's a valid, useful idea.
What happens when the far right or far left decides that USA-D/USA-R is not good enough either? Split it again?
Why not just do something like the Free State Project? All of the disaffected conservatives and Tea Partiers could move to Wyoming or North Dakota and create their own Galt's Gulch if they so desired. I say conservatives because this nutty idea never seems to come from a progressive or moderate.
There is a semi-concerted effort to turn Texas into a liberal state.
Wyoming and NH were always pretty conservative, so there is no effort to really change them all that much.
And anyways, as long as NH or Wyoming or any state is living under the Leviathan (that would be Washington DC), they will have very little say in things, no matter WHO is living in those states.
I was thinking, we're split approximately 50/50, Liberal vs. Conservative - Democrat vs. Republican with irreconcilable differences. Why not just acknowledge this and divide the country in half? Independents like myself would have to make a choice over which country to join, USA-D or USA-R
This is nuts, we fight endlessly, let's just agree to disagree and split up already!
I agree lol, the democrats have all the population though, since they're located in large cities, so it will be off balance in a couple decades after the split and then the USA-R will get eaten by USA-D, and then we'll have to deal with USA-R's backwards nonsense again. Or after the split we could let USA-R just become more economically unequal and inevitably self destruct.
That actually could be an idea. We could live and work as we do now, we'd just be citizens of different governments. R's would be able to own firearms, D's would not. D's would be allowed to have abortions, R's would not. R's would have prayer in school, D's would not. Probably tax rates for one would be different than the other. Each would have their own social programs. If you're a citizen of one government, you'd be responsible for paying for those programs for your own citizens as well as being responsible for your citizens crimes. Probably laws and sentences would be different for each. Both would be responsible for areas of mutual defense and for shared common infrastructure. But we'd have two POTUS, two SCOTUS, congress, two senates, two DOJ, etc.
You'd end up with both sides realizing that neither side is completely good or bad, we just elect **** poor legislators and leaders.
USA-R will die in a decade. USA-D is obsessed with Ivy League education for their leaders, bc of this, USA-D will not fall. USA-D is more of a meritocracy too, that'll keep it standing over USA-R.
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