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Old 06-05-2016, 05:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Cliftonpdx View Post
If someone is going through the transformation process, then they are transgender.
But as I believe you knew before this and some of the other threads started....and if not, then definitely by now because this has been pointed out to you many times....there is no law or policy in place that specifically codifies what any part of "going through the transformation process" is or isn't.

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If a man just puts a dress on, that is called cross dressing, the least you can do is understand the difference.
If a cross dresser is more comfortable changing/showering in the girls locker room, then is chastised, etc. for being there, and then in order to be protected from consequences says "I'm Transgender" there currently aren't any laws/policies in place that codify the difference so that the next step toward any consequences can even be addressed. True Transgender...fake/pretend Transgender...no current law or policy that codifies one versus the other or offers any specific definitions.

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You act like men are storming little girls locker rooms now claiming to be transgender just to sexually assault all of them. How many transgender women are sexually assaulting girls? Care to answer that question?
I'm not the poster you replied to. My main point is just one of the many points that Informed Consent has touched upon...namely the changing/showering/locker room issue in public schools before the age of 18. If a particular gym......even a YMCA...has a particular policy or is deficient re any relevant policy...that can be determined before the person signs up for a membership, and they can make the policy or lack of a policy the deciding factor re whether they join or not. Same thing with similar facilities at a college or university. In a non college public school setting, that 'non purchase and walk away' option largely isn't an option. Also within this sphere is the legal issue that Informed Consent has brought up many times re schools, but that you and many others have ignored...the legal indecent exposure point re if a pre op Transgender girl is already age 18 and the cisgender girl is under age 18.

Re how many....even if the sum total =1...still exists...the number is irrelevant. Informed Consent has already given examples with multiple links over all of the threads on this issue and from what I have seen all have been ignored.

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Sexual predators look like Jared from Subway, not a transgender girl.
Stereotype much?

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Also, you do realize pools in schools are rare, and even more rare is requiring swimming in school. You do understand that one, right?
You are wrong...which is irrelevant as, pool or no pool, other students who have exerted themselves on the field/track/etc. still might change or shower and change.
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:15 PM
 
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Nope. At least not in most stqtes. In a public area you have to be notified. But a restroom or an area marked employees only is not a public space. That space is only open to those of the right sex. There is case law on the subject.

Here is a bit from an NC lawyer...

Is It Illegal for a Man to Use the Ladies' Room?North Carolina Criminal Law
Employees only aren't gender specific rooms. Sure, there are plenty of things a lawyer could try to use in a case, but there are no laws that specifically state men cannot enter a woman's locker room and vice versa.
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:18 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Hey! I resemble that remark. Little Rhody is 37 miles wide x 48 miles long, but even as the smallest state with incredible beaches, we have large pools; my gym just a block down at Brown University has a 164.042 ft x 82 ft pool. And being Brown it's hard enough telling what sex anyone is with or without clothes; we don't have all of those crazy issues that the conservatives in this forum that causes them to set their hair on fire about.
Really? No girls'/women's and boys'/men's locker or shower rooms at Brown University?

Prove that.
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:24 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Fun fact, they could do so before.
No, they couldn't. Anyone exposing male genitalia in a girls'/women's multiple occupancy locker/shower room would have been evicted and arrested. Anyone with male genitalia watching girls/women change/shower in a girls'/women's multiple occupancy locker/shower room would have been evicted and arrested.

Now, all the male sexual predators have to do to have free access to female victims is to "claim" to be "transgender." No questions asked.
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:26 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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That is a false statement, grown men are still not allowed to randomly walk into little girls locker rooms.
Based on what? They "say" they're "transgender." Now what?
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Old 06-05-2016, 06:28 PM
 
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Based on what? They "say" they're "transgender." Now what?
And if they say they are a man, then what? There has never been any laws that prevented a man from entering a woman's locker room.
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Old 06-05-2016, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Employees only aren't gender specific rooms. Sure, there are plenty of things a lawyer could try to use in a case, but there are no laws that specifically state men cannot enter a woman's locker room and vice versa.
There is case law. If you read the cite you would know that...From the cite...

"Supporting that interpretation is Com. v. White, 538 A.2d 887 (Pa. Super. Ct. 1988), where the court affirmed a conviction for criminal trespass after the male defendant entered the women’s restroom of an athletic club. The court ruled that the restroom was a “separately secured or occupied portion” of the building that was reserved for women’s use. Update: See also In re S.M.S., 196 N.C. App. 170 (2009) (affirming an adjudication of second-degree trespass after a boy entered a girls’ locker room, and stating that “[t]he sign marked ‘Girl’s Locker Room’ was reasonably likely to give respondent notice that he was not authorized to go into the girls’ locker room”)."
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Old 06-05-2016, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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No, they couldn't. Anyone exposing male genitalia in a girls'/women's multiple occupancy locker/shower room would have been evicted and arrested. Anyone with male genitalia watching girls/women change/shower in a girls'/women's multiple occupancy locker/shower room would have been evicted and arrested.

Now, all the male sexual predators have to do to have free access to female victims is to "claim" to be "transgender." No questions asked.
Source? There something in the Administration position that revokes the exposure statutes? Show male genitalia to unrelated females violates the exposure statutes virtually anywhere.
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Old 06-05-2016, 06:58 PM
 
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The better question is why is being made such an issue now? To rile people up. That's the point, more division amongst people. If it's not this, it is racial.

You would think half the population was transgender, given how much this is talked about now. Why is this happening? Perhaps a diversion(the media is good at that) from more important issues?
Good point. I think it's being made a big issue due to the fact that "Michelle" isn't a female and more and more people are waking up to that fact!

America continues to be the laughing stock of the world! Of all the issues to be concerned with, Obama wants us all to focus on a few perverts! Idiocy!
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Old 06-05-2016, 07:03 PM
 
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There is case law. If you read the cite you would know that...From the cite...

"Supporting that interpretation is Com. v. White, 538 A.2d 887 (Pa. Super. Ct. 1988), where the court affirmed a conviction for criminal trespass after the male defendant entered the women’s restroom of an athletic club. The court ruled that the restroom was a “separately secured or occupied portion” of the building that was reserved for women’s use. Update: See also In re S.M.S., 196 N.C. App. 170 (2009) (affirming an adjudication of second-degree trespass after a boy entered a girls’ locker room, and stating that “[t]he sign marked ‘Girl’s Locker Room’ was reasonably likely to give respondent notice that he was not authorized to go into the girls’ locker room”)."
I agree trespassing laws are about it, and even then that doesn't prevent someone from entering.
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