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Old 06-15-2016, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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He used an AR-15....A semi automatic copy of the M-16, a fully automatic weapon designed to kill humans....For those that say you can only fire one round at a time with an AR-15, watch this video....The rate of fire is not that much different between the two...This is a legal AR-15....Definitely not a hunting rifle...The slide fire addition is a legal after market modification that allows the AR-15 to fire 900 rounds per minute


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqxoiAjSrAU
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Old 06-15-2016, 05:38 PM
 
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Or maybe, if you're focused on firing one shot after the next - rapidly - your aim gets pretty bad. I have a dueling tree. It took a while (with no adrenaline rush added to the mix) to become proficient enough to hit every plate in rapid succession.

As to the OP's question, I have no experience with muzzle-loaders, but with a shotgun I'd say maybe 20 rounds per minute, X 180 minutes... 3,600 rounds? (Did I do the math right?)
yep
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Old 06-15-2016, 05:39 PM
 
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consider the barrel heating up enough to burn your hand and cause a malfunction.


Good luck stashing 3600 rounds in your back pocket along with a dozen other guns probably of different calibers and ammo for all those guns.
so my point was, ANY GUN (even a one a time) could have been used to kill 49 and injure 53 in the span of 3 hours.
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Old 06-15-2016, 05:42 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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He used an AR-15....A semi automatic copy of the M-16, a fully automatic weapon designed to kill humans....For those that say you can only fire one round at a time with an AR-15, watch this video....The rate of fire is not that much different between the two...This is a legal AR-15....Definitely not a hunting rifle...The slide fire addition is a legal after market modification that allows the AR-15 to fire 900 rounds per minute


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqxoiAjSrAU
Do you know what a POS that slide fire is? OMG you have to screw with it EVERY time to get it to do that. Forget letting off the trigger cause if you do you have to start all over again. Hug it too hard and it stops too. It's a gimmick. No one in their insanity would consider doing a deed with that hunk of dog crap. Hang on everyone, it's not working, give me a minute. Anyway, you are NOT getting any 900 rounds a minute with that circus act. Not unless it was belt fed and some guy next to you feeding it and had a wheel barrel full of belted ammo so you didn't have to stop.

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Old 06-15-2016, 05:42 PM
 
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He used an AR-15....A semi automatic copy of the M-16, a fully automatic weapon designed to kill humans....For those that say you can only fire one round at a time with an AR-15, watch this video....The rate of fire is not that much different between the two...This is a legal AR-15....Definitely not a hunting rifle...The slide fire addition is a legal after market modification that allows the AR-15 to fire 900 rounds per minute


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqxoiAjSrAU
No, he didn't use an AR.

and an AR15 is in NO WAY a copy of an M16. GOOD LORD

read this, you really need to.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ifle-what.html
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Old 06-15-2016, 05:45 PM
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He used an AR-15....A semi automatic copy of the M-16,....
You have it backward. The M-16 is a fully automatic adaptation of the AR.

Which wasn't reported to have been used in the Orlando nightclub by the jihadist family member of the You Tube-railing, extremist Muslim imported to the U.S.
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Old 06-15-2016, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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He used an AR-15....A semi automatic copy of the M-16, a fully automatic weapon designed to kill humans....For those that say you can only fire one round at a time with an AR-15, watch this video....The rate of fire is not that much different between the two...This is a legal AR-15....Definitely not a hunting rifle...The slide fire addition is a legal after market modification that allows the AR-15 to fire 900 rounds per minute


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqxoiAjSrAU

Slide fire or "bump" fire is a technique that takes a lot of practice to master. It involves letting the gun move a bit with it's own recoil so the trigger repeatedly "bumps" off of your finger. No special stocks are really needed but some claim that there are types that make it easier. Changing to a lighter trigger can help too.

But the technique is not very reliable and makes the gun harder to control and maintain accuracy with. And the technique is not limited to AR-15 type weapons either.

It's more of a fun "because I can" thing than any type of tactical advantage. Full auto fire is overrated anyways. You go through ammo way too fast and you miss probably 50% of what your shooting at. Even in the military it's not used as much as Hollywood would have you believe.
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Old 06-15-2016, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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A shooter in that environment, a lot of intoxicated people in an enclosed area with limited exits, could do a tremendous amount of damage with practically any firearm.

A pump shotgun that many use for home defense would be devastating in such a scenario, even though most only hold 5-8 rounds. It only takes maybe 10 or 15 seconds to reload and with a tactical vest they could carry a significant amount of ammo, although it wouldn't be light.

Add a revolver or two and some speed loaders and they would be just as lethal as if they were wielding an AR-15. Maybe more....you ever see what 00 buckshot can do? It ain't pretty.
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Old 06-15-2016, 06:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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A shooter in that environment, a lot of intoxicated people in an enclosed area with limited exits, could do a tremendous amount of damage with practically any firearm.

A pump shotgun that many use for home defense would be devastating in such a scenario, even though most only hold 5-8 rounds. It only takes maybe 10 or 15 seconds to reload and with a tactical vest they could carry a significant amount of ammo, although it wouldn't be light.

Add a revolver or two and some speed loaders and they would be just as lethal as if they were wielding an AR-15. Maybe more....you ever see what 00 buckshot can do? It ain't pretty.
There is not a more lethal weapon at close range than a shotty. Gun guys know that. These knuckleheads are running with the moronathon lyrics from CNN and MSNBC.

Single feeding a pump is easy and you can feed shoot feed shoot all day long until you run out of the ammo you have on you. With something mag fed it's all over once it's out.
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Old 06-15-2016, 06:54 PM
 
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A shooter in that environment, a lot of intoxicated people in an enclosed area with limited exits, could do a tremendous amount of damage with practically any firearm.

A pump shotgun that many use for home defense would be devastating in such a scenario, even though most only hold 5-8 rounds. It only takes maybe 10 or 15 seconds to reload and with a tactical vest they could carry a significant amount of ammo, although it wouldn't be light.

Add a revolver or two and some speed loaders and they would be just as lethal as if they were wielding an AR-15. Maybe more....you ever see what 00 buckshot can do? It ain't pretty.
safe to say anyone shot with one of those wouldn't be a survivor.
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