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I don't see a white supremacy issue here. What I see is the desire of many to sweep a very real problem under the rug. For the best of motives we are allowing entry to the West of many refugees since the area from which they come has become ungovernable, dangerous and a threat to human life. The good motives do not mean that the people who come are in any way prepared for life under Western civilization.
The societies from which they come are highly authoritarian. This means the families as well as the governments. Bring them to a part of the world where people are expected to be largely self-governing without significant training and the results are not good.You're so right and I'm repping this post. Ever notice how after the San Bernardino, Orlando and Chattanooga massacres the authorities delayed releasing the names of the assailants. And how after Orlando the transcripts were at first redacted to eliminate references to ISIS?
Now many of us, me included, understand why some dictators over there were so draconian. Not saying they were right, but necessary perhaps.
Now many of us, me included, understand why some dictators over there were so draconian. Not saying they were right, but necessary perhaps.
Exactly. A self-regulating society works quite well where most people more or lesss behave themselves in a certain manner. Where people act without filters, not as much.
I don't see a white supremacy issue here. What I see is the desire of many to sweep a very real problem under the rug. For the best of motives we are allowing entry to the West of many refugees since the area from which they come has become ungovernable, dangerous and a threat to human life. The good motives do not mean that the people who come are in any way prepared for life under Western civilization.
The societies from which they come are highly authoritarian. This means the families as well as the governments. Bring them to a part of the world where people are expected to be largely self-governing without significant training and the results are not good.You're so right and I'm repping this post. Ever notice how after the San Bernardino, Orlando and Chattanooga massacres the authorities delayed releasing the names of the assailants. And how after Orlando the transcripts were at first redacted to eliminate references to ISIS?
The reason these groups come here is because the white supremacists have directly and indirectly caused some type of instability in their home countries. Name ONE problem in any of these "muslim" countries that is not controlled, and put into motion directly or indirectly by the white supremacists?
Sad..I'm a Twin Falls resident and know many of the parties central to this case. There appears to be an ugly rush to judgment as regards what happened. I'd point out a few facts..not that I believe that facts will really matter to most.
Because a member of a culture commits a crime..not that we have legally established that a crime took place..it does not call for a blanket indictment of every member of that culture. I get the attacks on Islam...especially here in Idaho, but I fail to see what quoting the Quran has to do with the behavior of these children. Do you really think that an 8yo studied these passages and decided to sexually assault based on his reading?
The Koran is central to Muslim culture so it is relevant to any discussion of that culture and to the environment in which Muslim children are raised. And of course not every person within a problematic culture is bad. But the culture is still a problem.
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The vast majority of immigrants here are hard-working, moral people. BTW, many of them are Christian, not Moslem.
That may be so, but no foreign person has the right to live in Idaho or anywhere in America. Whether or not they are allowed to do so should be completely up to U.S. citizens who decide if it benefits them. The bar needs to be high, with only newcomers who are wanted and needed entering. This is best for all concerned.
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But, I doubt that that really matters, to most of the frantic mob.
Isn't that what this is really about for people like you - the need to distinguish yourself and feel morally superior to your neighbors, the, "ignorant", "frantic mob"?
I don't feel any sense of moral superiority in this situation..just sad.
As far as Citizens deciding...that is for us...through our system of govt., to decide.
That you disagree with the laws as they currently exist is a matter of politics...just be aware that there are a large number of people who do not feel as you do..if you doubt this, just wait for the next election results.
I would point out that we seem to have a large number of white, christian child molesters and sex offenders in Idaho..what's their excuse?
Or is your outrage reserved for Immigrants and Hillery supporters?
The reason these groups come here is because the white supremacists have directly and indirectly caused some type of instability in their home countries. Name ONE problem in any of these "muslim" countries that is not controlled, and put into motion directly or indirectly by the white supremacists?
I haven't words to respond.
What I will say is that the Muslim world decided to get involved in WW I, picked the wrong side. Boo hoo.
I don't feel any sense of moral superiority in this situation..just sad.
As far as Citizens deciding...that is for us...through our system of govt., to decide.
That you disagree with the laws as they currently exist is a matter of politics...just be aware that there are a large number of people who do not feel as you do..if you doubt this, just wait for the next election results.
I would point out that we seem to have a large number of white, christian child molesters and sex offenders in Idaho..what's their excuse?
Or is your outrage reserved for Immigrants and Hillery supporters?
The difference is, our media doesn't LIE when a white, Christian molests a child. They don't claim it didn't happen. THey don't attack the victim. They don't lie about those that report on the crime or condemn the criminals. The city administrators don't lie to the public about it. And the US Attorney doesn't threaten to prosecute anyone that looks into the case and reports on the truth.
The abuse of this poor child by these savages is bad enough. The abuse the media and the supporters of Islamic immigration have done to her, her family and her supporters is perhaps worse.
I would point out that we seem to have a large number of white, christian child molesters and sex offenders in Idaho..what's their excuse?
Or is your outrage reserved for Immigrants and Hillery supporters?
This caught my eye. I would have expressed it as so-called Christian child molesters, but I see your point. Yah, Idaho has a reputation as a natural home for loners & various kinds of end-timers - & so does New Mexico, for that matter. It's a big joint, a place where people can go to ground.
Other than the relative isolation of bits of the place, it's hard to see why social isolationists would want to end up in either place. Myself, I like the climate here - there's just something about an austere desert environment, big blue sky & midnight-black nights, starry skies.
Toyman...I live in Twin Falls, where the alleged incident took place. BTW..not Idaho Falls..which is a hundred miles up the road. I would submit to you that none of us KNOWS what happened..and that it is up to our criminal justice system to investigate and judge..not us..through our third and forth hand "knowledge".
I fail to see the need to paint every immigrant with the same brush..they are people, just like us..whether or not you feel any empathy for the situation that everyone involved finds themselves in.
The vast majority of immigrants in Twin Falls are hard-working,, moral people--some are Islamic..some are not.
Reading this thread, I can't help but feel that this tragedy, for some, is nothing but an excuse to ride their favorite political hobbyhorse.
Shame.
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