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I don't live in Texas but would love for them to secede. Their current and previous governors talk about it like it's a threat. Go! Secede! Be on your way! Happy trails!
They secede and have their own laws to kick out the illegals.. Texit exit.
Have a pick your own president for each state.. those that Hillary wins, they have Hillary. Those that Trump wins they have Trump... lets see who does better..
One is a job killer, the other a job maker. One wants the illegals, we will ship them to Hillary states.. they will not be allowed in the Red states.. Those that want Muslims will go to Hillary states..
Trump states will put Americans back to work. Put all this on the ballot. Let see who votes for who. I have an enormous feeling Trump would win every state in a landslide.
Have a pick your own president for each state.. those that Hillary wins, they have Hillary. Those that Trump wins they have Trump... lets see who does better..
One is a job killer, the other a job maker. One wants the illegals, we will ship them to Hillary states.. they will not be allowed in the Red states.. Those that want Muslims will go to Hillary states..
Trump states will put Americans back to work. Put all this on the ballot. Let see who votes for who. I have an enormous feeling Trump would win every state in a landslide.
This is Texas secession, did you post here by accident?
What I'm saying is, the government in Texas is completely arbitrary, and has been since the very beginning. Texans aren't some ethnic group, they aren't an ancestral group, they aren't a linguistic group, they aren't even a cultural group.
Furthermore, the lines on the map called Texas, weren't even supposed to stay that way. The Republic of Texas, when annexed by the Union, included lands in modern New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, and my state of Oklahoma.
And Texas as a state, wasn't even supposed to remain as a single state. Because as part of its admission into the union, it was to be broken up into as many as five separate states.
Thus, the lines on the map that held the name of Texas, mean absolutely nothing.
It is to pretend that the government of Texas is legitimate, merely because it exists. But on that basis, you could argue that the Federal government is legitimate, merely because it exists(and don't get me started on Texas v. White).
Furthermore, what resources are you even talking about? Oil? Is Texas the only state that has oil? If you head out to the Panhandle of Texas, and drive into Oklahoma from either the North or East, you will find no difference whatsoever. The land is the same, the economy is the same, the people are the same.
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So the reason people in Texas think differently politically is based on what their nationality is?
What do you mean think differently politically? While people often call Texas a "blue-state". In 2008, nearly 44% of the state voted for Barack Obama.
With changing demographics from millions of Hispanic immigrants, and the "carpetbaggers" rushing in from other states, many people believe Texas will be a blue state within a decade.
Trust me, Oklahoma is more conservative, and more anti-Federal government than Texas could ever dream of. But Oklahoma is landlocked, so the only way Oklahoma is getting out of here, is if she follows Texas.
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You made that up and have no proof it would happen.
There is certainly no empirical evidence that it would happen, being that it hasn't happen. And there has been no reason to even take a vote on the matter, since it hasn't been seriously proposed. But do you honestly believe that south Texas would want to leave with the rest of Texas? Do you honestly believe the liberals and carpetbaggers in Austin would want to leave the United States?
And if El Paso decides it wants to stay in the union, I promise you, Obama would rush in and declare it has the right to stay in the union. And this would set a precedent that would turn Texas into Ukraine.
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What I'm saying is, the government in Texas is completely arbitrary, and has been since the very beginning. Texans aren't some ethnic group, they aren't an ancestral group, they aren't a linguistic group, they aren't even a cultural group.
Furthermore, the lines on the map called Texas, weren't even supposed to stay that way. The Republic of Texas, when annexed by the Union, included lands in modern New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, and my state of Oklahoma.
And Texas as a state, wasn't even supposed to remain as a single state. Because as part of its admission into the union, it was to be broken up into as many as five separate states.
Thus, the lines on the map that held the name of Texas, mean absolutely nothing.
It is to pretend that the government of Texas is legitimate, merely because it exists. But on that basis, you could argue that the Federal government is legitimate, merely because it exists(and don't get me started on Texas v. White).
Furthermore, what resources are you even talking about? Oil? Is Texas the only state that has oil? If you head out to the Panhandle of Texas, and drive into Oklahoma from either the North or East, you will find no difference whatsoever. The land is the same, the economy is the same, the people are the same.
No the land and economy are not. Texas has a diversified economy compared to Oklahoma. It has a port city. The gulf of Mexico and the amount of oil in Texas compared to Oklahoma is big. ~2011 Texas just under 1 million barrels a day. Oklahoma 150k barrels a day
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Originally Posted by Redshadowz
What do you mean think differently politically? While people often call Texas a "blue-state". In 2008, nearly 44% of the state voted for Barack Obama.
With changing demographics from millions of Hispanic immigrants, and the "carpetbaggers" rushing in from other states, many people believe Texas will be a blue state within a decade.
Trust me, Oklahoma is more conservative, and more anti-Federal government than Texas could ever dream of. But Oklahoma is landlocked, so the only way Oklahoma is getting out of here, is if she follows Texas.
Your statement on Southern Mexicans and people from different parts filling up major cities. Why does that mean they are from a different political spectrum? Or did you mean they don't look the same.
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There is certainly no empirical evidence that it would happen, being that it hasn't happen. And there has been no reason to even take a vote on the matter, since it hasn't been seriously proposed.
You've jumped the gun. Who said there should be an actual vote on it?
The discussion of a policy happens first. That's how it always is.
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But do you honestly believe that south Texas would want to leave with the rest of Texas? Do you honestly believe the liberals and carpetbaggers in Austin would want to leave the United States?
Why not? As long as they received the ability for more local control which would be the theme of secession.
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And if El Paso decides it wants to stay in the union, I promise you, Obama would rush in and declare it has the right to stay in the union. And this would set a precedent that would turn Texas into Ukraine.
No a city, or a suburb would not get the choice.
I wonder if Putin would get involved?
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