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Old 07-06-2016, 09:13 AM
 
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I have no say in the matter. Like I said, if you dispute the classification of surgical vs medical abortion, take it up with UCSF, the CDC, and WHO.

The FACT remains that nearly 80% of all abortions are SURGICAL procedures. There's NO way anyone can legitimately argue that ambulatory surgery center standards aren't necessary for SURGICAL abortion, particularly when women DIE as a consequence of legally performed abortion complications (CDC tracks that).

Please STOP with all the MISOGYNY!!!
If you have no say in the matter, then I suggest you stop attacking others. And calling people misogynists is attacking others. When you have no argument.

And you have no argument, because you are unwilling to take a "say in the matter".

I can easily argue that ambulatory surgery center standards aren't necessary for a procedure that doesn't involve a scalpel, requires only local anaesthesia, and has complications less than 1% of the time.

If you are going to insist that such abortions require ambulatory surgical standards, then you MUST insist that centers that perform pelvic exams and pap smears also require ambulatory surgical standards. And then you are the one driving women's healthcare costs through the roof, and endangering the health of poor women who would not be able to afford simple pelvic exams.
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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Women's health and lives are specious? How special for you to hate women so much.

Please STOP with all the MISOGYNY!!!
Your argument would be more effective if you added different font sizes and colors to the lame bolding you are already doing.
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:21 AM
 
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If you have no say in the matter, then I suggest you stop attacking others. And calling people misogynists is attacking others.
What would you call it when people advocate for no ambulatory surgery center medical and facilities standards when surgical procedures are performed on women but keeping those same ambulatory surgery standards for men?

According to the CDC (and UCSF and WHO), nearly 80% of abortions are SURGICAL procedures. There's NO way anyone can legitimately argue that ambulatory surgery center standards aren't necessary for SURGICAL abortion, particularly when women DIE as a consequence of legally performed abortion complications (CDC tracks that).

Please STOP with all the MISOGYNY!!!
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:22 AM
 
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Seriously? Two very recent examples, and the reason why other states have enacted laws similar to TX... Gosnell and Brigham.

Why Dr. Kermit Gosnell's Trial Should Be a Front-Page Story - The Atlantic

A Botched Operation - The New Yorker

Brigham's career of profiteering from abortions that didn't meet surgical standards and harming women has been going on for decades.

When standards are permitted to be lower, that's what you get. Unfortunately, SCOTUS, in direct violation of the Roe v Wade ruling and the 10th and 14th Amendments just ruled for exactly that. Misogynists, plain and simple.
No.

Because what those "doctors" were doing was already illegal. The SCOTUS ruling did NOT legalize what those "men" did.

These are different issues.

Abortion clinics still have to meet standards. Just not unnecessarily stringent ones. That has NOTHING to do with quacks who break the law.

If anything those cases show how important it is to have access to quality reproductive care. It shouldn't be shrouded in shame and mystery.
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:25 AM
 
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No, all I support is reasonable standards for abortion facilities. Those do not need to be the same as standards for surgery centers, as SCOTUS has determined.
Yes, this is really all there is too it. Simply and well-stated.

Can't rep you again.
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:25 AM
 
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Your argument would be more effective if you added different font sizes and colors to the lame bolding you are already doing.
I'm focusing on the nearly 80% of abortions are surgical procedures statistic, and the deaths resulting from complications of legally performed abortions.

Given those facts, how can anyone legitimately argue that ambulatory surgery center standards aren't necessary for facilities performing SURGICAL abortions?
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:26 AM
 
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What would you call it when people advocate for no ambulatory surgery center medical and facilities standards when surgical procedures are performed on women but keeping those same ambulatory surgery standards for men?
I would call your argument false.

Vasectomies actually involve cutting. And they are done daily in clinics that don't have to meet ambulatory surgery standards.
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:30 AM
 
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I'm actually dumbfounded that so many of you would think nothing of expecting your girlfriend/sister/daughter/friend/etc. to have a SURGICAL abortion at a clinic that DOESN'T have to meet minimum ambulatory surgery center medical and facilities standards.

How is that anything but misogynistic?
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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I'm focusing on the nearly 80% of abortions are surgical procedures statistic, and the deaths resulting from complications of legally performed abortions.

Given those facts, how can anyone legitimately argue that ambulatory surgery center standards aren't necessary for facilities performing SURGICAL abortions?
Yes, you definitely need a larger font.
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:34 AM
 
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I'm actually dumbfounded that so many of you would think nothing of expecting your girlfriend/sister/daughter/friend/etc. to have a SURGICAL abortion at a clinic that DOESN'T have to meet minimum ambulatory surgery center medical and facilities standards.
Because it doesn't involve surgery. No cutting, local anaesthesia, the actual procedure takes about 10 minutes, and after decades of studies, there are only complications less than 1% of the time.

Having your wisdom teeth removed is more dangerous.
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