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Old 07-21-2016, 06:28 PM
 
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Good Luck america, you'll need it.
We'll be fine. Gun crime affects mainly the gangsters, drug dealers and thugs in America, so as long as the cops don't try to disarm us before they disarm the criminals, I won't lose any sleep over it.
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Old 07-21-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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OK, I just have to ask this question of the gun owning population.

Why do you feel you need a gun that holds more than one round at a time?
If all of you honed in on your firing skills, one shot would be all it takes to take down a criminal, or in the case of sport hunting, an animal.

Bob.
The very epitome of ignorance.
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Old 07-21-2016, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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Interesting, Brazil has strict firearms laws, which they are thinking of changing.

Brazil Has Nearly 60,000 Murders, And It May Relax Gun Laws : Parallels : NPR
so? America has for the most part much more lax gun laws than BRazil, and they still had almost 13,000 gun homicides in 2015, but since it's less than Brazils there's no problem then? You do realize that Brazil has a chitpot of socio-economic issues such as horrible poverty and corruption, and haves vs have nots. The U$ will approach those numbers if your plutocratic oligarchy ways continue.
As long as we're cherry picking countries to fit our argument-Japan has VERY strict gun laws and 0.3 per 100,000 murder rate, or Switzerland with a high rate of ownership with low crime rates. There's a significant number of low-gun countries withe low crime. As for murica, states like OK, FL, TX, LA, MS have very high gun ownership and high violent crime rates.
But we can go round and round and cherry-pick stats to fit our moods. I've already stated that america is too far gone for an gun laws to help. Most likely for many of the same reasons why Brazil and Central American nations have less guns but high violence. You guys are screwed over there-good luck!
BTW, maybe all the American Badazz Militiamen should hire themselves out as mercenaries and go take your guns and clean up Brazil and wipe out the bad guys. Should be easy right?-not a lot of armed folks there
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Old 07-21-2016, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Ok do not move down to Florida- we have terrible gun stories, hope they ban them here
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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We'll be fine. Gun crime affects mainly the gangsters, drug dealers and thugs in America, so as long as the cops don't try to disarm us before they disarm the criminals, I won't lose any sleep over it.
Really....just.... really Look in the eye and tell that to the families of the THOUSANDS of NON-gangbanger/thug/druggie killed or wounded by gunfire! A number of ammosexual websites state that around 80% of gun victims are the gangsters/drug/thugs. Even IF that's true, it doesn;t take into account the effect that has on those that care about "those types"(family, SO, friends, etc) and monetary costs, the effects on those that witness it, or medical personnel and so on.
But lets just look at raw numbers. Of the 7600+ gun deaths in america so far this year, by their calculations that's about 1500-1600 totally innocent people(and their loved ones, friends, those wounded, and forever traumatized) That's too many!! IDk how anyone can be ok with that? Do you lose sleep over them?
I guess that speaks to the mind-set of most americans, which is: "If it's not happening to me, i either don't care, or it isn;t happening at all!" OR "i live in 24/7 armed paranoia, so it will never happen to me, only those beneath me"

SMH No, I'm afraid America won;t be fine if that's how most of you over there think. So again-Good Luck to the truly good people of america.
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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So far in 2016 in 'Murica there's been about 7600 gun deaths reported. I'm guessing just a few of those were innocent people killed by bad people with guns. With all the armed superheros out there to save the day, that number should be way down.

The MA ban isn't for ALL gun from what I've read on the subject, so there's till plenty of options out there for all the Cialis fueled "tough-guys" to get in touch with their inner Jason Bourne, isn't there?
What armed superheroes? I haven't seen one person here claim they are, did you just make that up?
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:25 PM
 
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No, I'm afraid America won;t be fine if that's how most of you over there think.
Yes, we'll be fine. Of that I have no doubt.

If you're concerned about numbers, start demanding a crackdown on the #1 cause of injury deaths in America. No, it's not guns (even including suicides), knives, or even murder as a whole. It's not even automobile accidents. It's drug overdoses. Nearly 50,000 Americans per year, so if you're that concerned about saving lives, demand that the government crack down on drugs, not guns.
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Really....just.... really Look in the eye and tell that to the families of the THOUSANDS of NON-gangbanger/thug/druggie killed or wounded by gunfire! A number of ammosexual websites state that around 80% of gun victims are the gangsters/drug/thugs. Even IF that's true, it doesn;t take into account the effect that has on those that care about "those types"(family, SO, friends, etc) and monetary costs, the effects on those that witness it, or medical personnel and so on.
But lets just look at raw numbers. Of the 7600+ gun deaths in america so far this year, by their calculations that's about 1500-1600 totally innocent people(and their loved ones, friends, those wounded, and forever traumatized) That's too many!! IDk how anyone can be ok with that? Do you lose sleep over them?
I guess that speaks to the mind-set of most americans, which is: "If it's not happening to me, i either don't care, or it isn;t happening at all!" OR "i live in 24/7 armed paranoia, so it will never happen to me, only those beneath me"

SMH No, I'm afraid America won;t be fine if that's how most of you over there think. So again-Good Luck to the truly good people of america.
The problem with your number crunching is you forgot about people that wouldn't have murdered with another weapon. Guns aren't the only way to murder.
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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.... Gotta take care of the already wealthy and Big Business-anything that doesn't line their pockets, will never occur over there. God Bless America should be changed to God HELP America! ...
Ironically, it's this idea that government has the potential to look out only for themselves (and their corporate masters) and refuse to govern in the manner those who elect them, want them to; refusing to make changes that will get us back on track or, dare I say it, becoming tyrannical, that put us in the position to keep and bear arms to begin with.

I don't think we've reached that point, but all you have to do is take a look at our two 'candidates', at all the gridlock, at the Supreme Court decisions that favor politics over law, and wonder how much longer before the people have had enough. Just my opinion, but I think a lot of the recent protests have as much to do with America's citizens realizing the futility of real change happening, as much as anything else.
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:42 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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So far in 2016 in 'Murica there's been about 7600 gun deaths reported. I'm guessing just a few of those were innocent people killed by bad people with guns. With all the armed superheros out there to save the day, that number should be way down.

The MA ban isn't for ALL gun from what I've read on the subject, so there's till plenty of options out there for all the Cialis fueled "tough-guys" to get in touch with their inner Jason Bourne, isn't there?

Addressing the first paragraph, as to the"armed super hero" bit, it needs to be noted that most of the armed criminal violence happens in urban areas. Urban areas that prohibit citizens from being armed or make being armed prohibitive via "licencing" procedures that make it very expensive and invasive a process. In other words, only the bad guys are armed. There's no " armed superheroes", or armed and ready citizens to stand and deliver. Just fish in a barrel.

As to a CCW. or just simple firearms ownership, for whatever purpose, being a Jason Bourne fantasy, such analogy wearies me.These fun hating, self proclaimed "educated and enlightened" types that can't grasp what fun ownership actually is. People have guns for a.wide.variety of reasons. Personally, I own firearms for personal protection ( which means my loves ones, my home and myself..intuit order) , for competition , as a hobby , working on them (some people work on cars I work on guns) and for planking as a fun pastime. I have no Hollywood fantasies or delusions of being some kind of action hero. Matter of fact, the ludicrous manner in which Hollywood portrays the capabilities of firearms irritates me. Verily, it the gun haters, not gun owners, who are steeped in Hollywood fantasy. Spreading misinformation and pure BS about what firearms are actually capable of, in an attempt to further their agenda.and sound like they actually know what their talking about.
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