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The obfuscation and lies surrounding his dealings with Iran makes this highly suspicious as Iran says one thing and the US says another.
We know for a fact that the hostages said that they couldn't leave until another plane landed and we don't know when/if that money was to arrive at that time in advance, because the Obama administration lacks transparency and honesty on everything it does.
It is being reported that one of the hostages said they were not allowed to leave until the plane carrying the cash arrived. They sat on the tarmac for hours waiting eventhough their plane was already cleared to leave and everyone was onboard.
No one said "plane carrying cash". Lets not invent more "news".
Trump said he saw a video of a plane in Iran with money pouring out of it, but even he flip-flopped on it, and admitted there was no such video.
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Am I the only one that isn't all the engaged in this?
I'll be honest, if I were taken hostage by Iran, I'd really want Obama or the government or whatever to just pay them so I don't have to die for no reason. Maybe that's cowardice, but I'm gonna be honest, I don't care. I like this country, I don't like Iran, but why the **** would I die for our little rivalry? Yeah, whatever, it's some patriotic symbolic gesture, which is a nice way of saying it's essentially meaningless.
And let's be real, in terms of scale, $400 million isn't nearly enough to put Iran on equal footing with us anyway. Do I think he's lying? I don't know. The story the Obama administration is going with is technically believable (to contrast with the unbelievable story Secretary Clinton went with as a hapless grandmother who didn't understand the law... as a lawyer...). It's certainly interesting that this happened as the hostages were released.
My best guess, the story the Obama administration is a half truth. That $400 million could easily exist for the reason Mr. Earnest is saying. I also don't doubt that the hostages being released as that money was delivered wasn't intentional. My guess, the government was probably planning and just giving them that money and Iran wanted some leverage. Once they got the money, they didn't need the leverage, so they released that hostages. Meaning, from a technically position, that isn't a ransom and the administrations story is at least technically not a lie.
So giving them US dollars is illegal. Instead, we give them foreign money, loaded on to pallets, delivered by plane.
It's still a ransom, but it's also money laundering. There's a REASON we can't give them US dollars.
How does providing them foreign currency equate to money laundering, even if they could have done an electronic transfer they can still withdraw the funds. the money is theirs.
Am I the only one that isn't all the engaged in this?
I'll be honest, if I were taken hostage by Iran, I'd really want Obama or the government or whatever to just pay them so I don't have to die for no reason. Maybe that's cowardice, but I'm gonna be honest, I don't care. I like this country, I don't like Iran, but why the **** would I die for our little rivalry? Yeah, whatever, it's some patriotic symbolic gesture, which is a nice way of saying it's essentially meaningless.
I am sure you would want that, and I am sure many people who have a loved one being held hostage hopes for the same thing, but US does not pay ransom. If we did, there would not be US hostages held in other countries.
How does providing them foreign currency equate to money laundering, even if they could have done an electronic transfer they can still withdraw the funds. the money is theirs.
You called people stupid for not agreeing with the ransom theory, and yet no one has offered any proof for it. And yes, whoever makes a claim, is the person who needs to provide the proof.
Don't call people stupid for not believing every comment made by politicians. Smart people DO not believe everything they hear from politicians.
I did not call anyone stupid. You should know me better than that. I said people are free to play dumb.
With regards to holding money - choose your terms - ransom or blackmail? It's either one.
The fact Obama admitted to the timing of the payment back when in occurred (as I indicated in post #6). The Iranians called it ransom. A released hostage said they were held until a plane (assuming with the money) arrived.
Who should we believe if not the politicians? What's the criteria here?
“This money was returned for the freedom of the US spy and it was not related to the (nuclear) negotiations,” Mohammad Reza Naqdi, a brigadier general in Iran’s Basij Force, said Wednesday. The Basij is under the command of the Revolutionary Guards.
You're more than welcome to take the word of Iranian propagandists over the explanation offered by Americans.
But it would be absolutely psychotic to do that and then oppose the nuclear agreement.
I did not call anyone stupid. You should know me better than that. I said people are free to play dumb.
It's the same thing.
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With regards to holding money - choose your terms - ransom or blackmail? It's either one.
The fact Obama admitted to the timing of the payment back when in occurred (as I indicated in post #6). The Iranians called it ransom. A released hostage said they were held until a plane (assuming with the money) arrived.
Who should we believe if not the politicians? What's the criteria here?
You can believe anything you want, even Breitbart. I want facts, and when someone makes a claim, seemingly out of thin air, I want them to prove it. Even you say you simply assume a plane was carrying cash, when there is nothing to indicate what it carried.
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