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Old 02-13-2013, 08:22 AM
 
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Well last night the dumbass called for raising the minimum wage to a "livable wage".

Where do these morons get the notion that minimum wage is meant to be a living wage? It is an ENTRY level wage, it's not something meant to support your family on.

Minimum wage is for low to no skilled workers, nothing more nothing less. This is just another tactic designed to increase the costs incurred by business owners and will result on a net loss of jobs if this jackass gets his way.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well they are working to try to turn it into a "livable wage".
What they should do is make it "livable" for places like San Francisco, Boston and New York City.
That would put it near $30/hour for 29 hours of work (Obamacare limits).
This way folks in Dinkytown, USA with an extremely low COL will feel very rich.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Well last night the dumbass called for raising the minimum wage to a "livable wage".

Where do these morons get the notion that minimum wage is meant to be a living wage? It is an ENTRY level wage, it's not something meant to support your family on.

Minimum wage is for low to no skilled workers, nothing more nothing less. This is just another tactic designed to increase the costs incurred by business owners and will result on a net loss of jobs if this jackass gets his way.

If you can't get more than minimum wage, then you should have paid more attention in school.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:31 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Well last night the dumbass called for raising the minimum wage to a "livable wage".

Where do these morons get the notion that minimum wage is meant to be a living wage? It is an ENTRY level wage, it's not something meant to support your family on.

Minimum wage is for low to no skilled workers, nothing more nothing less. This is just another tactic designed to increase the costs incurred by business owners and will result on a net loss of jobs if this jackass gets his way.
If it's not meant to be something to support a family on... then how are people who aren't college educated / MBAs supposed to make a living for themselves and their kids?

We all know that skilled manufacturing jobs that previously paid well have been going the way of the dinosaur in this country. And not everyone is college material. Not everyone is going to be a Warren Buffett or a Bill Gates. And real estate / construction in this country imploded, quite clearly. Many of the people in these low service jobs are people who previously would have gone for some skilled labor, and there is less and less of it to go around. China makes everything now.

So what do these people do? Just die?
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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Well last night the dumbass called for raising the minimum wage to a "livable wage".

Where do these morons get the notion that minimum wage is meant to be a living wage? It is an ENTRY level wage, it's not something meant to support your family on.

Minimum wage is for low to no skilled workers, nothing more nothing less. This is just another tactic designed to increase the costs incurred by business owners and will result on a net loss of jobs if this jackass gets his way.
Raise the minimum wage, and you'll get layoffs, stagnant pay and inflation.

But since according to Obama, if we raise the wage, everything will be good. So if that's the case, raise it. And if you're making minimum wage, you don't qualify for welfare or food stamps. I think that's a fair trade.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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Well last night the dumbass called for raising the minimum wage to a "livable wage".

Where do these morons get the notion that minimum wage is meant to be a living wage? It is an ENTRY level wage, it's not something meant to support your family on.

Minimum wage is for low to no skilled workers, nothing more nothing less. This is just another tactic designed to increase the costs incurred by business owners and will result on a net loss of jobs if this jackass gets his way.

both Minimum wage and "living wage" are unnecessary. It is up to employees to not accept a salary that they can't live on. If you want to raise the minimum wage you should modify unemployment insurance, medicade, welfare to make up the difference.

Families wouldn't accept a non-living wage if they couldn't fall back on those safety nets, and thus the wage goes up.

and if you are competing against a TEEN for your daily bread, I suggest a move to China, i'm sure you could compete a little better there.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:47 AM
 
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Where in the minimum wage law does it say anything about what the min. wage is "meant" to be?
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Where in the minimum wage law does it say anything about what the min. wage is "meant" to be?
It doesn't. It's just a min that employers cannot go below.
It used to mean entry level wage or unskilled wage.

But society has changed. Too many people are not educated enough to move up and out of these jobs now. Or they are college educated but there are no jobs for them and they have lots of debt. They are getting married and having kids on what used to be teen salaries or entry level job salaries where one moved out and up after getting experience.

Today these are career jobs. For some they are still entry level for teens, part time for extra money, etc. but now they also include families whose sole source of income is a part time job at McDonalds or Walmart.

So what do you do..increase food stamps, medicaid to fill in the gap ? Yes to a point but as the numbers increase the burden on government to fill that gap increases.
So government will have to raise min wage because those types of jobs are not what they used to be and society has to adjust to this.

These jobs are now careers for families.
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Old 02-13-2013, 08:54 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Where in the minimum wage law does it say anything about what the min. wage is "meant" to be?
One sure sign of a liberal, is that laws govern their entire existence. The idea that one can live his life without having a law to direct his every move, give meaning to his life, is foreign to them, as well as anathema.

Actually there was little justification for ANYTHING about the minimum wage. it is a product of wooly-headed wishful thinking along the lines of "Gee, that isn't enough for what *I* think things ought to be".

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Old 02-13-2013, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The standard of living in the US is going down but the prices are not so government has to step in and somehow fill the gap either through expanded social welfare programs or mandating higher wages.

That's just reality folks. Walmart is the #1 employer in the US today is proof enough about which way we're headed.
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