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What is your opinion of a peaceful "secession"? A majority referendum?
The citizens of the state would have to vote, 2/3 state governor approval, along with congress and the executive branch.. This would be my idea of peaceful secession... It's not going to happen and America doesn't have a track record of peaceful revolutions...
What is your opinion of a peaceful "secession"? A majority referendum?
The citizens of the state would have to vote, 2/3 state governor approval, along with congress and the executive branch.. This would be my idea of peaceful secession... It's not going to happen and America doesn't have a track record of peaceful revolutions...
Say it was, are you still for violent intervention?
You so sure the majority of Texans want to secede? I don't think Doomsday Prepper guy speaks for the majority of Texans in wanting to leave America.
"Now now, we interviewed him, his buddy, and his two neighbors, our poll indicates the 75% want to secede. " -one of several equally probable responses from some folks.
Its an indissoluble union, there is not right to secede
So you are admitting that the American people do not have the right to self-determination, a right that is an absolute requirement of representative government. That would mean the government is repressive.
Actually, I think you might be correct. And that would be a great example of why secession might be warranted.
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Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust
Not only do I support allowing states to secede, I think it'd be for the best if they did.
All the money and effort trying to unite and compromise federal policies among states that honestly are pretty much opposites, is a waste.
Better to just let them amicably split and focus 100% on doing things their own way within their own jurisdictions, using their own budgets.
Exactly right. Let people do things their own way. Stop trying to force morals and values on people that find them morally reprehensible. This goes both ways.
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Originally Posted by SHABAZZ310
Without what I listed below the referendum idea a secession would be illegal. And just like all crimes this should be dealt with swiftly and justly...
Who is going to deal with the rebels though? F*****y, limp-wristed liberal men? The vast majority of the military are southern/western conservatives or libertarians. This is more true of the combat forces that actually know how to fight (i.e. infantry, artillery, tanks, etc). There would be some liberals in the HR or accounting corps that enlisted for the freebies, but they would be massacred so fast as to not be an issue.
The reality is that if there was a widespread rebellion, the federal government wouldn't be able to put it down. Not given the ideological make-up of the military, police and the vast area of the country. Add to that 300 million plus private firearms, and it would be a guerrilla warfare nightmare for the Feds.
However, we are nowhere near that point so this is all fantasy
Who is going to deal with the rebels though? F*****y, limp-wristed liberal men? The vast majority of the military are southern/western conservatives or libertarians. This is more true of the combat forces that actually know how to fight (i.e. infantry, artillery, tanks, etc). There would be some liberals in the HR or accounting corps that enlisted for the freebies, but they would be massacred so fast as to not be an issue.
The reality is that if there was a widespread rebellion, the federal government wouldn't be able to put it down. Not given the ideological make-up of the military, police and the vast area of the country. Add to that 300 million plus private firearms, and it would be a guerrilla warfare nightmare for the Feds.
However, we are nowhere near that point so this is all fantasy
Are you an 11B? Are you a war Vet? How do you know the political makeup of the armed forces? I was in the military and there is vast diversity of opinion. Most of the military has a big sense of duty that they take seriously. I would bet that If the president called upon the armed forces to protect the constitution of the United States the majority of the men and women in uniform would obey.
The best indication of what would happen would be to look at what happened last time this was attempted... We are not at this point but lets not kid are selves...
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