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What IS that piece of paper? You know the one, it begins "When, in the course of human events...
Oh, yes, it is called the "Declaration of Independence"!
It goes on to say "it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bonds which have connected them with another..."
Yeah, you DO remember that, don't you?
It is just as valid today as it was in 1776!
Oh, and by the way, for those who like doing research, look at Article I of the Constitution of The State of Montana!
and how is it that the democrats (traditional democrats are just left of moderate) vote for a fascist far left criminal like Hillary....
the answer is look at the garbage that ran against them
the people didn't want a socialist like Bernie
the people didn't want another bush
the people didn't want neo-cons like cruz and Rubio
biden was too afraid that Hillary would have him wacked to run
so what choices do we have
trump or Hillary.....
both parties are broken
Biden didn't run because of the loss of his son. He was devastated. Surely you can understand that. But if it was Biden vs Trump, Biden would win by a landslide.
Neither. The federal government would move in, seize the government and occupy if necessary. Just like after the Civil War. Sure, there may be some deaths, but I don't see them as murder.
The only way secession could happen imo, is if the US had a near total collapse and it split multiple ways. I don't see that happening.
South Carolina or Texas, or other states or groups of states
secede from the U.S.
Would you support the Federal armed forces to be sent to
quell the secessionists, if it really does mean killing hundreds
of thousands if not millions of people who do not want to be
in the United States anymore ?
anonymous poll.
who says the feds will win?
also, will you be helping fill the body bags of those federals being killed?
Unilateral secession is unconstitutional and it isn't a right. If states or groups of disgraceful Americans attempt to secede you're damn right they should be brought to heel.. Especially if they lacked the moral authority to do so such as was the case during the civil war...
So, by your own logic, George Washington was a disgraceful British subject, and should have been hung, along with the other signatories of the Declaration of Independence, like Franklin, Jefferson, etc.? That being the case, there never would have been a United States to secceed from. This type of circular reasoning hurts my head.
Fact #1 - The Constitution is a grant of authority to the federal government by the states and the people. That power granted to the federal government is limited to those specific powers enumerated in the Constitution, and under the 10th Amendment, all powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved by the states and the people.
Conclusion: in order for the federal government to legally employ military force against a state, or commit an act of war against an individual or collection of states, that authority or power must be enumerated. Please show me where such power is granted to the federal government by the Constitution? Answer is, you can't, because no such power exists, or ever granted.
Fact #2 - during the debates among the states to join the Union and ratify the Constitution originally, many issues were discussed, much of which revolved around the fears that the federal government would eventually attempt to seize too much power, damaging or negating the autonomy of the several states. This is why the Constitution was structured as a "grant of limited powers", with each state reserving to itself all other powers not specifically granted to the federal government.
Conclusion: given the preoccupation with fears that a too powerful federal government could become a threat to the liberty, autonomy, and sovereignty of the states and the people, and consequently, great effort and thought put into the structure of the Constitution to prevent such a situation, is there a single soul dumb enough to believe that any state would have ratified a Constitution that forever bound them to this involuntary union, for eternity, against their will? The very idea that these states would willingly give up the basic foundational philosophy of "government by consent of the governed" is absolutely absurd in the extreme.
Fact #3 - the philosophy of our founders regarding the powers of the people versus the powers of the government is clearly laid out in our Declaration of Independence, issued to England and King George. Relative to succession, which is what that document was about, clearly declared that when the people determine that their government no longer serves their best interests and instead becomes tyrannical .... it is the RIGHT of those people's to "throw off" such government, and form a new one, because government governs by consent of the governed. CONSENT!! Look it up. It means by voluntary agreement.
Conclusion: the idea that a state and it's people can be forced or coerced to remain in a union to which they voluntarily agreed to join, regardless of circumstances or reasons for wanting to withdraw such consent, is antithetical to the fundamental philosophy responsible for the creation and existence of that union to begin with.
Therefore, the very idea that the federal government had ever been granted the power by the states and the people to rule over the states and the people, even to the extent of employing military force to (as you said) "bring to heel" those no longer willing to give consent, is a preposterous notion to such an extreme, that no logic or reason could ever be found to defend it.
The very action you support to use force against the people is the greatest example of total tyranny, and in and of itself, serves as unchallengeable evidence that the tyranny cited as the reason for succession, does indeed exist.
The great thing about democracy is that 51% get to enslave 49%.
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