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Old 08-18-2016, 07:40 PM
 
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What doesn't cost more now than cheap electronics and so on?

Housing, if we consider it essential (although the professional homeless can argue the other way) then planning to acquire it as soon as you think about leaving the house your parents pay for should be right at the top of the list, next to food, clothing and so on.

Sometimes you can't have what you want, the way it goes.

Not everyone is without good affordable housing and not everyone else got served with silver spoons.

Governments place should be limited to maintaining certain construction standards, if that and providing assistance to those physically or mentally unable to help themselves and then to help on a temporary basis, those actually willing to help themselves do better but not be the surrogate parents for those with their hands out or those who seek to blame the world for their misfortune.

 
Old 08-18-2016, 07:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mack Knife View Post
Anyone notice the common theme?

No matter what the reply, there is always something in the way of doing better and finding a way to solve the problem of affordable housing.

From education to zoning, the finger is always pointed at someone else.

Why is that? Why is it never a failure to plan, to have a plan in case that one doesn't work out, a willingness to accept self responsibility for not making better choices yet always demanding actions by others to make up for self imposed deficiencies?

There is a crisis, it isn't in housing but in the idea that government is the solution for housing problems.

In a free market, willing sellers and willing buyers execute contracts. Government is the culprit in so very many cases, because rent-seeking (rent in the economic sense and not in the landlord - tenant sense) property owners (like NIMBYs) gain from the inability of others to transact.

The PRIVATE SECTOR is the solution; government is the obstacle.
 
Old 08-18-2016, 07:45 PM
 
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It would be interesting to know, how many people that claim affordable housing is a crisis spend how many hours a day surfing the Internet participating in forums rather than using that time to work or improve their ability to earn better pay, gain knowledge, skills and experience.

To a person making $100,000 a year, $1000 a month for a studio isn't a burden. So, make the $100,000 and before you say not everyone can earn that much, ok, fair enough but does that mean you can't?

Or does it mean you aren't willing to do what it takes to make the $100,000? That could be a goal because if you got only 3/4 of the way there, that $1000 a month would be a huge burden either.

Not a personal question for anyone, a question to think about when saying someone else needs to fix something by making it less expensive.
 
Old 08-18-2016, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Florida
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THIS ARTICLE IS ON POINT! It talks about everything going on with Americas rent crisis. Even calling out that politicians are treating this as a secondary issue. I suggest everyone read it. Let's make this a primary issue in the upcoming election!! It even talks about multi-unit government funding was cut in the 80s and that it why multi-family building has gone down so much!! The "private market" will NOT fix this!

Why the Rent is Too Damn High: The Affordable Housing Crisis - Curbed
 
Old 08-18-2016, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Florida
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America would build 500,000 multi-family housing units annually until the 1990s because government funding for these projects were cut. We need that funding back! The private sector is clearly not going to build roofs for the working class without the government helping to fund it.

Why the Rent is Too Damn High: The Affordable Housing Crisis - Curbed
 
Old 08-18-2016, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It would be interesting to know, how many people that claim affordable housing is a crisis spend how many hours a day surfing the Internet participating in forums rather than using that time to work or improve their ability to earn better pay, gain knowledge, skills and experience.

To a person making $100,000 a year, $1000 a month for a studio isn't a burden. So, make the $100,000 and before you say not everyone can earn that much, ok, fair enough but does that mean you can't?

Or does it mean you aren't willing to do what it takes to make the $100,000? That could be a goal because if you got only 3/4 of the way there, that $1000 a month would be a huge burden either.

Not a personal question for anyone, a question to think about when saying someone else needs to fix something by making it less expensive.
Because someone shouldn't have to pay a thousand dollars a month for a one bedroom apartment in a bad area or suburb of a city that isn't NYC, DC, San Fran, or Boston. When cities like Jacksonville and Milwaukee have average 1-bedroom costs approaching $1000 a month we have a problem that needs to be addressed.

It also doesn't matter about absolute cost but that rent skyrockets far more than incomes. And it is skyrocketing because of lack of SUPPLY!

Last edited by Ibginnie; 08-18-2016 at 09:30 PM.. Reason: trolling
 
Old 08-18-2016, 08:18 PM
 
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Guess what, if they build a ton of new homes and apartments, yeah, that is not going to make prices go down.
 
Old 08-18-2016, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Guess what, if they build a ton of new homes and apartments, yeah, that is not going to make prices go down.
Yes it would. There is lack of supply for millions of people needing affordable rentals. For our government funds the supply then rents will go down. We need to build A LOT though because multi-family building has been suppressed ever since the 80s.
 
Old 08-18-2016, 08:24 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Originally Posted by Mack Knife View Post
It would be interesting to know, how many people that claim affordable housing is a crisis spend how many hours a day surfing the Internet participating in forums rather than using that time to work or improve their ability to earn better pay, gain knowledge, skills and experience.

To a person making $100,000 a year, $1000 a month for a studio isn't a burden. So, make the $100,000 and before you say not everyone can earn that much, ok, fair enough but does that mean you can't?

Or does it mean you aren't willing to do what it takes to make the $100,000? That could be a goal because if you got only 3/4 of the way there, that $1000 a month would be a huge burden either.

Not a personal question for anyone, a question to think about when saying someone else needs to fix something by making it less expensive.

Maybe they cant there are some people who just can not get a better education or a better job so telling them to do that is just pointless and really does not have much to do with rent Why are you so against helping other people? You gonna have to prove that everyone can improve themselves and there are enough higher jobs for everyone if you can not do that then your thinking is invalid.
 
Old 08-18-2016, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Because someone shouldn't have to pay a thousand dollars a month for a one bedroom apartment in a city that isn't NYC, DC, San Fran, or Boston. When cities like Jacksonville and Milwaukee have average 1-bedroom costs approaching $1000 a month we have a problem that needs to be addressed.

It also doesn't matter about absolute cost but that rent skyrockets far more than incomes. And it is skyrocketing because of lack of SUPPLY!
I'm from Jacksonville and a quick search turns up lots of apartments, some 3 BR units, for under $1000.
If you want to be in a highrise on the river or one of the other prime locations, you will pay more, but for a basic duplex or apartment it's easy to find them. I paid $1200 for a 3 BR house in riverside, my cousin lives in that house now and the rent is only $1500. 3 people splitting the rent is $500 each.

Apartments For Rent in Jacksonville FL | Zillow

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