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Old 08-12-2016, 09:34 PM
 
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Wouldn't that be a great compromise instead of the mass deportation and mass amnesty propositions by the major parties? Expand the guest worker program so that businesses can take advantage of cheap labor, force the workers to pay taxes, and allow the undocumented immigrants stay.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:38 PM
 
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Wouldn't that be a great compromise instead of the mass deportation and mass amnesty propositions by the major parties? Expand the guest worker program so that businesses can take advantage of cheap labor, force the workers to pay taxes, and allow the undocumented immigrants stay.
You mean allow a criminal element to stay? Illegal aliens by definition are criminals.

Or maybe you just like the idea of reducing any competition for jobs so they can be paid at low rates?

Seriously, theres a ton of reasons to NOT do this.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:44 PM
 
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Is a lack of expansion of the program preventing people from hiring illegals? Why would businesses want to pay more taxes?
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:03 PM
 
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You mean allow a criminal element to stay? Illegal aliens by definition are criminals.

Or maybe you just like the idea of reducing any competition for jobs so they can be paid at low rates?

Seriously, theres a ton of reasons to NOT do this.
Trump had a speaker at the RNC. An Avocoda grower in California. Here association advocated just that. Ironic huh?
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Old 08-12-2016, 10:09 PM
 
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Wouldn't that be a great compromise instead of the mass deportation and mass amnesty propositions by the major parties? Expand the guest worker program so that businesses can take advantage of cheap labor, force the workers to pay taxes, and allow the undocumented immigrants stay.
Because cheap labor is a huge problem for the American working class. The vast majority of Americans rely on wages as income.

Cheap labor primarily benefits shareholders, as the bottom 80% of Americans only own about 8.5% of the stock market. The vast majority of Americans simply do not benefit very much from cheap labor.
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Old 08-13-2016, 07:44 AM
 
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Wouldn't that be a great compromise instead of the mass deportation and mass amnesty propositions by the major parties? Expand the guest worker program so that businesses can take advantage of cheap labor, force the workers to pay taxes, and allow the undocumented immigrants stay.

With millions of Americans out of work? I don't think so! Why should businesses have access to cheap, foreign labor? That means less job opportunities for Americans and reduced wages. They aren't undocumented either they are illegal aliens. We don't need them here for anything and they shouldn't be rewarded for violating our immigration laws. Low wages means more welfare usage and higher taxes for the rest of us and increased population growth puts more strain on our natural and social resources.
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Old 08-13-2016, 07:52 AM
 
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Trump uses/misuses the guest worker program to staff Mar-a-Lago and his other resorts/hotels.
USA! USA!
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Old 08-13-2016, 07:59 AM
 
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That would be the Democrat definition of compromise - "do it our way". How is it any kind of a compromise to allow criminals to stay in the US? Exactly how would that help AMERICANS by giving amnesty (what you really propose) to illegals?
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Old 08-13-2016, 08:09 AM
 
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Wouldn't that be a great compromise instead of the mass deportation and mass amnesty propositions by the major parties? Expand the guest worker program so that businesses can take advantage of cheap labor, force the workers to pay taxes, and allow the undocumented immigrants stay.
Screw that.

The fact that illegal immigration has negatively affected the earning power and employability of lower-educated Americans is undisputed.

The fact that white collar immigration (H1Bs and the like) has negatively affected the earning power, wage growth, and employability of college-educated Americans is undisputed.

We need to deport every last illegal immigrant in this country. Make it so difficult for them to manage their daily affairs and work for a living that they have no choice but to leave. Give them a deadline to self-deport and if they're still here after the deadline, start round-ups and confiscate all of their assets while imposing lifetime bans on returning to the US. Do away with birthright citizenship as well.

We also need an immediate moratorium on work-related immigration. Impose high tax penalties on companies who have a workforce comprised of 20% or above H1Bs/green card workers. We can talk about ending the moratorium when our STEM graduates are actually able to find STEM work in acceptable numbers. Until then, those "skilled" workers can stay in their home countries. It's an outright lie that we have a "skills shortage" when these "skilled" workers are being trained by the very Americans whose jobs they are here to steal so those same Americans can receive their severance packages.

It's time to put Americans first.
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Old 08-13-2016, 08:27 AM
 
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Screw that.

The fact that illegal immigration has negatively affected the earning power and employability of lower-educated Americans is undisputed.

The fact that white collar immigration (H1Bs and the like) has negatively affected the earning power, wage growth, and employability of college-educated Americans is undisputed.

We need to deport every last illegal immigrant in this country. Make it so difficult for them to manage their daily affairs and work for a living that they have no choice but to leave. Give them a deadline to self-deport and if they're still here after the deadline, start round-ups and confiscate all of their assets while imposing lifetime bans on returning to the US. Do away with birthright citizenship as well.

We also need an immediate moratorium on work-related immigration. Impose high tax penalties on companies who have a workforce comprised of 20% or above H1Bs/green card workers. We can talk about ending the moratorium when our STEM graduates are actually able to find STEM work in acceptable numbers. Until then, those "skilled" workers can stay in their home countries. It's an outright lie that we have a "skills shortage" when these "skilled" workers are being trained by the very Americans whose jobs they are here to steal so those same Americans can receive their severance packages.

It's time to put Americans first.

I totally agree with you, BigD. Nice post!
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