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This is a controversial subject. It seems like, when you look at the top achievers in society, men dominate. It pains me to say it, but I can't find any example of truly innovative females. Where are the female Steve Jobs, Shakespeares, etc. ?
Where are you looking? Sheryl Sandberg was very key in Facebook's success, but her story doesn't make for the sexy bro-dude fantasy that was presented in the movie. There's also Ann Druyan, Hedy Lamarr, Marie Curie, Mary Shelley, Jane Austen, Grace Hopper (the computer), Jane Goodall...I wouldn't even put much emphasis on history before 1960 since women were actively discouraged from education and careers outside teaching or nurse. As for Shakespeare, not even Shakespeare was Shakespeare. There is evidence that this was a group of aristocrats using a pen name because at the time, playwrighting was considered a lowly profession. Just because someone doesn't get mainstream media coverage or Hollywood fanfare doesn't mean they don't exist.
Sexism is very alive and well and is more prominent in certain aspects than others. I know women in STEM who have dealt with sexism. I know women in sports (highlighted in particular by the Olympics) who have dealt with sexism. I have dealt with sexism in the workplace personally. It's held us, women back, for a long time. And still does but not as bad as it used to be.
It's like saying, "why can't I find successful black people in history?" When you know damn well they used to be slaves for a very long time and never had the same opportunities as the privileged white man. This thread is moronic.
Women and men are equal, it was drilled into me in college. But sometimes women are more equal - actually better than men in most things we are now learning. Same goes for other groups. The only group on the decline are men because men are too stupid/laid back to care about what is happening. Maybe that is whh the white liberal elites want to bring Sharia to the west.
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This is a controversial subject. It seems like, when you look at the top achievers in society, men dominate. It pains me to say it, but I can't find any example of truly innovative females. Where are the female Steve Jobs, Shakespeares, etc. ?
You're not looking hard enough, plus you're not trying hard enough to spell names like Beethoven's correctly. It can be hard to measure greatness, mostly because it's hard to get people to agree about the criteria that make something great, but how about Coco Chanel? Gertrude Stein? Mary Shelley? They made innovations in their disciplines, and in the latter two cases, they perhaps did so because they were explicitly told that women had no place in literary modernism (Stein) or British Romanticism (Shelley). That's just off the top of my head without really thinking about it; others have mentioned women like Curie. Rosalind Franklin easily rolls off the tongue as well; she helped Watson and Crick conceptualize the double-helixical nature of DNA.
Men and women are not wired the same. Evolution dictates that a woman take the safest approach to life in order to protect and nurture offspring long term. Men are programmed to take as much risk as possible in order to impregnate the highest number of females possible.
On top of that, females have been considered second class citizens for something on the order of tens of thousands of years and would not even be given the same opportunities as her husband or brother.
I think this offers a partial explanation but cannot nearly account for gender imbalance at the highest levels of achievement. Many fields have been open to women for a long time. Women have been writing novels, making music and painting for centuries, and many have produced fine work. But still, there has never been anything close to gender parity at the top end.
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Finally, history has been written by men for thousands upon thousands of years. Whose stories do you think are going to be recorded?
So you think all the female geniuses of long ago were lost to history? That's difficult to disprove, but given the fact that the top achievers today are still overwhelmingly male what reason is there to suppose that it was different in the past?
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Really stupid and pointless question though, imo.
...odd that you would take the time to reply then. What can be said about people who spend their days voluntarily participating in discussions they think are stupid and pointless?
#1 Women have been kept out of positions of power historically, so you will see less women accomplishing things from a historical perspective.
#2 Men are more likely to be geniuses than women. Women actually have a slightly higher average IQ by a hair, because men are also more likely to have below average IQs. This is because all genes discovered related to IQ are on the X chromosome. Since women have 2 X chromosomes their IQ gets averaged towards the middle and have a back up if there is a defect on one. Men have greater variation only having 1 X and no back up if there is damage to one.
However, in every society, extremely high IQs are more likely to find success. There are both men and women with extremely high IQs, there are just statistically more men of extremely high IQs.
One should not question the intelligence of others while misspelling their thread title.
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