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Again, I am talking about 1970s to now, not the days of Lincoln. BTW, those former Confederate states vote Republican all the time in Presidential elections.
The NBPP are a recognized black nationalist hate group.
Why would you be singing praises of them? Many of their members advocate for the killing of police officers and white people in general...
I will sum it up like this. I have not seen much over the last 40 years that would make me want to vote Republican. However, rather than showing "how can Republicans help Blacks TODAY", it is rather "how can we turn Blacks against the Democrats".
What did my post that you quoted have to do with support of the BP's?
My post was related to BucFan claiming to be a moderate, which based on his posting history is laughable. He is a liberal/leftist, but probably doesn't realize it based on his claim.
BucFan actually said he wasn't a fan of NBPP though...
It seemed to me as if you were ridiculing him for that position.
If you weren't and were just focused on him being a "leftist" then okay. But honestly, I am also a moderate and I consider myself rather conservative. Yet, I am also frequently called a "leftist" on this forum until I say something one you who claim you are conservative (and I feel many of you are ultra loony "righties" and not regular conservatives) agrees with.
You don't know what BucFan is. Like your own response got lost in translation with me whereas I felt you were ridiculing him for being both a "leftist" and someone who doesn't like NBPP, you cannot fully know or understand his/her position politically. There are a lot of things left out on a forum.
Based on my own views of social issues, I'm frequently called a "leftist" yet I honestly view extreme liberalism and conservatism as nauseating.
Again, I am talking about 1970s to now, not the days of Lincoln. BTW, those former Confederate states vote Republican all the time in Presidential elections.
For starters, you must not have listened to the entire video, as it talks about modern times as well. Regardless, I'd be happy to review your link on the "southern strategy", but I refuse to use Wiki as it is the tool of the lazy and ignorant. It is known to be very inaccurate/manipulated/biased.
Here is a professional journalist that is neither liberal nor conservative and her take on it;
Regarding the southern strategy, I am familiar with it, but it was trying to manipulate whites. It is no different than what the Democrats have done to exploit blacks for votes. Heck even LBJ which started to change how blacks voted said the following;
Lyndon Baines Johnson 1963... "These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference... I'll have them n iggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years".
LBJ was likely a racist, and he pushed against his own party to try and get blacks to exchange government handouts in exchange for votes. Many of the inner cities that are plagued by poverty/crime have been under Democratic control for decades.
From my perspective, I'd bet many blacks heard Trumps comment to them, asking for their support by asking "what do you have to lose", and said lets give him a chance.
I certainly don't know what Trump has planned, nor if it will work, but it is worth a shot. Remember blacks have not fared well under Obama and total Democratic control of Congress when they had it. If anything blacks have suffered much worse unemployment numbers, which far exceed the national averages. Additionally poor black folks trapped in the hellholes that only want to safely send their children to school and get to work in safely have been begging for solutions.
Yet Obama & Co did little to make a tangible change to their reality. Heck you'd think that Obama's right hand man in Rahm Emanuel becoming the mayor of Chicago would have helped. Instead it has been more of the same hollow promises, with innocent black victims at the hands of the gun & knife clubs that make living a normal existence impossible.
Frankly, strict enforcement of gun laws like FL has would help get the drug pushers and thugs off the streets, so normal black families can reclaim their communities.
Florida's 10-20-Life law helps keep things from getting like a warzone that IL has experienced.
Then again, Obama commuted the sentences of some of those very criminals, and has unleashed these predators right back into the neighbors. They will once again be able to sell drugs and have shootouts with rival poison pushers.
I cannot even imagine how people trapped in those areas feel when they see scum like that guy named Lee (first name escapes me) who was part of a drug mafia family was put back in business. He was serving a life sentence, and Obama unleashes him (under the guise or social justice)back into the black community. I bet the poor folks living there do not see anything social or related to justice by him being back. Rest assured there are not going to be any yellow ribbons on the oak trees upon his arrival.
Faux News clowns reported today Trump is polling at 1% with Blacks and he still hasn't spoken to at an event in front of Black voting groups for some odd reason. What's he afraid of?
He's been in office for less than a month and he is getting in cabinet picks pushed thru. If Dem's would show up and vote, just maybe Trump would have more time!
BucFan actually said he wasn't a fan of NBPP though...
It seemed to me as if you were ridiculing him for that position.
If you weren't and were just focused on him being a "leftist" then okay. But honestly, I am also a moderate and I consider myself rather conservative. Yet, I am also frequently called a "leftist" on this forum until I say something one you who claim you are conservative (and I feel many of you are ultra loony "righties" and not regular conservatives) agrees with.
You don't know what BucFan is. Like your own response got lost in translation with me whereas I felt you were ridiculing him for being both a "leftist" and someone who doesn't like NBPP, you cannot fully know or understand his/her position politically. There are a lot of things left out on a forum.
Based on my own views of social issues, I'm frequently called a "leftist" yet I honestly view extreme liberalism and conservatism as nauseating.
Rest assured you read way too much into my post to him. Also rest assured he spews the liberal talking points far too well out of the Democratic playbook to be a moderate. That is his right of course, but don't try to say you are one thing when the actions show you to be another.
I do not support any of the hate groups, whether they be any shade of skin color. That includes what the liberals/leftists/progressives fail to call hate groups, to include the BP's, BLM, etc.
Quick personal story.
I was on a cruise a while back, and we were slated to share our meals with another couple at an asigned table.
They seemed nice enough when our conversations were not related to politics. But once that line was crossed, I found myself listening to them rant about the evils of conservatives. Being on a week long cruise, the last thing I wanted was to trapped every meal listening to political discussions, so I agreed with them on common thoughts, but remained silent on most other political discussions where we disagreed.
Well two hours in these people claimed to be moderates, and I knew from what they said before they were liberals, maybe even leftist kooks.
So I asked them what Republicans they had voted for in the past for president. They proudly proclaimed they never had.
This couple was old enough to have voted since the Jimmy Carter days. They also had never voted Republican for the Senate either.
So when I asked how they could consider themselves moderate when they only voted for Democrats, they said Republicans were evil, and they were moderate because they voted for a major party, rather than the Socialist Workers Party.
I practically choked on my food when they said that.
They admitted to not being happy with the Democrats, but knew the party they were more closely aligned with politically was the SWP, and they couldn't win. But they were moderate.
Yet from their own warped perspective, they seemed to think they were moderate. Needless to say we got reassigned to another table as quickly as possible. The point being that many a so called moderate is nothing of the sort. Few people, given a litmus test would wind up in the middle.
Well, here is a question for Mr. X. What have the Republicans done for Blacks over the last 45 years? Don't bring up this "Party of Lincoln" crap. I am talking about 1970-now, nothing earlier than that.
"What have the Republicans done for Blacks over the last 45 years?"
MAYBE, 1 day some on the left will recognize that the dems deal in and survive through "group" and "identity" politics and 1 reason they have lost 1,000 political seats since 2009.
They pander to each group, women, gays, blacks, Hispanics, etc., whatever group they are talking to at the time.
The repubs are for ALL people, no matter the sex, race etc, which is why, many on the left like to ignore, MANY blacks, women, Hispanics etc. voted for repubs all these years.
Anyone who disagrees with the left are called racist, sexist, etc.
For starters, you must not have listened to the entire video, as it talks about modern times as well. Regardless, I'd be happy to review your link on the "southern strategy", but I refuse to use Wiki as it is the tool of the lazy and ignorant. It is known to be very inaccurate/manipulated/biased.
Here is a professional journalist that is neither liberal nor conservative and her take on it;
Regarding the southern strategy, I am familiar with it, but it was trying to manipulate whites. It is no different than what the Democrats have done to exploit blacks for votes. Heck even LBJ which started to change how blacks voted said the following;
Lyndon Baines Johnson 1963... "These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference... I'll have them n iggers voting Democratic for the next two hundred years".
LBJ was likely a racist, and he pushed against his own party to try and get blacks to exchange government handouts in exchange for votes. Many of the inner cities that are plagued by poverty/crime have been under Democratic control for decades.
From my perspective, I'd bet many blacks heard Trumps comment to them, asking for their support by asking "what do you have to lose", and said lets give him a chance.
I certainly don't know what Trump has planned, nor if it will work, but it is worth a shot. Remember blacks have not fared well under Obama and total Democratic control of Congress when they had it. If anything blacks have suffered much worse unemployment numbers, which far exceed the national averages. Additionally poor black folks trapped in the hellholes that only want to safely send their children to school and get to work in safely have been begging for solutions.
Yet Obama & Co did little to make a tangible change to their reality. Heck you'd think that Obama's right hand man in Rahm Emanuel becoming the mayor of Chicago would have helped. Instead it has been more of the same hollow promises, with innocent black victims at the hands of the gun & knife clubs that make living a normal existence impossible.
Frankly, strict enforcement of gun laws like FL has would help get the drug pushers and thugs off the streets, so normal black families can reclaim their communities.
Florida's 10-20-Life law helps keep things from getting like a warzone that IL has experienced.
Then again, Obama commuted the sentences of some of those very criminals, and has unleashed these predators right back into the neighbors. They will once again be able to sell drugs and have shootouts with rival poison pushers.
I cannot even imagine how people trapped in those areas feel when they see scum like that guy named Lee (first name escapes me) who was part of a drug mafia family was put back in business. He was serving a life sentence, and Obama unleashes him (under the guise or social justice)back into the black community. I bet the poor folks living there do not see anything social or related to justice by him being back. Rest assured there are not going to be any yellow ribbons on the oak trees upon his arrival.
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I listened to it, and I smell a rat. You cannot compared Republicans of the 1860s to the Republicans of today. Nor can you compare Democrats of the 1860s to those today. Not the same thing. LBJ may or may not have said those words. That said, I don't see Barry Goldwater, the guy he was running against, supporting the Civil Rights Act. LBJ was likely a racist, but so was Goldwater. He voted against the Civil Rights Act. In fact, the largest correlation for voting against the Civil Rights Act was North vs South, not Democrat vs Republican. No southern Republican supported it, but both Democrats and Republicans from the North supported it. And the Republican Party has its own racist skeletons in the closet. Look up the Lily White Movement.
And as for Wikipedia, it does have sources listed too. In fact, I listed one of them, that newspaper article. Lee Atwater talked about it in the 1980s. Wikipedia may not be the most guaranteed source, but we can count on this. Sources have to be listed in order to be featured.
And something else. Do you want to know one thing that keep so many Blacks trapped in the ghettos? Discrimination laws. Once those laws were repealed in the 1960s, middle class Blacks were able to leave, and never come back, on their own accord. Now, it's about the money. The inner cities were never great places to live, but Blacks who had the money could leave. Democrats had something to do with that. The Black middle class has grown considerably since the 1960s.
The video spoke of entitlements. No one has to use those entitlements. And calling affirmative action a "shackle", now that's a new one. I thought it only disadvantaged White males.
Back to D vs R. The southern states voted Democrat for years. Once Blacks started voting for Democrats, alot of Whites in the South voted for Republicans in the 1970s. Str
Strict gun laws in the 1960s is something that was tried in Chicago. The murder rate just shot up. Strict gun laws have been tried. They haven't not been consistent in working. Look at Baltimore, Newark, those cities are among the worst for violent crime. The problem isn't guns. The problem is the ghettos have always been violent, and this was before all the "entitlements". Go read the Moynihan Report.
Here is the truth. I'm not seeing anything that Republicans have done that have made the lives of Black people easier. Not in the last 40 years. Donald Trump's "what do you have to lose" comment seems to have rang hollow. Not many Blacks voted for Trump. Some Blacks didn't vote at all. And consider this. LBJ might have said those things, but no one heard him until now. We hear everything President Trump has said, and he has his own bigoted comments.
"What have the Republicans done for Blacks over the last 45 years?"
MAYBE, 1 day some on the left will recognize that the dems deal in and survive through "group" and "identity" politics and 1 reason they have lost 1,000 political seats since 2009.
They pander to each group, women, gays, blacks, Hispanics, etc., whatever group they are talking to at the time.
The repubs are for ALL people, no matter the sex, race etc, which is why, many on the left like to ignore, MANY blacks, women, Hispanics etc. voted for repubs all these years.
Anyone who disagrees with the left are called racist, sexist, etc.
Well, if the Republicans want Blacks to vote for them, they better apologize for the southern strategy. They better purge the party of those who have pandered to bigots or have said bigated things. No making assumptions that all Blacks want is "free stuff".
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