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Old 04-07-2009, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I wasn't actually trying to refute you. Yes EIN. It is however also used as my TIN for state puposes on resale of material though. Well...off to my militia meeting. Tonight we decide on what is to be our standard weapon....we are considering the 1859 Sharps in .54 caliber. cavalry carbine length. Should do the trick
Whatever you choose, go with Pedersoli. They're really nice.
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Old 04-07-2009, 06:49 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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I chuckle at the idea of recording a rack a round sound as a security device instead of having the full time maint. of a shot gun. Very intimidating universal language, is it not?

Managing confrontations don't require firearms 99% of the time in normal society. There are circumstances when there is no other choice. I think your disability leaves you with fewer options to choose, but for myself, I use every tool in the drawer and achieved some amount of mastery. As civilians we don't always have our firearms in a convenient location and have to strategically get distance from a would be attacker. Every object has the potential to be used as a weapon. Perhaps you recall this email? snopes.com: Pilot's Advice

This is an article about an incident that happened where I used to live. I used to regularly be on this train from manhattan, but I wasn't living there at the time of this tragedy. Tactical tragedies: the lone gunman theory of firearm regulation - Colin Ferguson | Reason | Find Articles at BNET. The article is critical toward those who want gun controls and I tend to agree with it, even if I don't care much for the political snide remarks. Truth is on 2nd amendment side here and liberal dems are misguided in their approach to the problem.

I think the problem with civilization is the false sense of security people lull themselves into. Colin Ferguson was able to reload 3 magazines before some men tackled him down. Would average citizens have the skills & courage to disarm a maniac, 23 people would not have been wounded. Shock and fear stunned most passengers into submission. One sane human being having a fire arm could have limited the carnage significantly. Similar rampage in a texas restaurant years ago, but I can't find the article.
Well put!
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I wasn't actually trying to refute you. Yes EIN. It is however also used as my TIN for state puposes on resale of material though. Well...off to my militia meeting. Tonight we decide on what is to be our standard weapon....we are considering the 1859 Sharps in .54 caliber. cavalry carbine length. Should do the trick
If I misunderstood I apologize, but there are those on the board who are attempting to spread some of the "tax protester" nonsense about Social Security being a voluntary system. The salient point is that there is no "TIN" per se that the government issues, they issue SSNs, iTINs, and EINs. Those are all "Taxpayer Identification Numbers"

Good luck with the militia. Kill a Commie for Christ tonight, and ask for shoes to be issued.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I haven't followed this thread at all. Will someone wake me when Montana leaves. Maybe then we can get D.C. statehood and keep the 50 state thing going.
We don't want DC to be a state IMO. It would be nice to have a vote in Congress. If Congress passes the legislation, we'll have change the city motto "Taxation without Representation" that's on our license plates.
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Old 04-07-2009, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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If I misunderstood I apologize, but there are those on the board who are attempting to spread some of the "tax protester" nonsense about Social Security being a voluntary system.
I apologize if I have offended anyone in expressing the fact that participation in Social security is 100% voluntary.

Please feel free to prove me wrong.

All you need to do is write 4 letters to:
1. Your local congressman
2, 3. Your senators
4. SocSec Administrator in Baltimore, MD

Politely ask the following:
A. Please produce the law that requires ALL AMERICANS to enroll in Social Security.
B. Please produce the law that forbids ALL AMERICAN private sector employers from hiring Americans who do not participate in Social Security.
C. Please produce the law that punishes ANY AMERICAN who does not volunteer.

In my own experience, and the experience of countless others, the usual response from #1 through #3, is silence.
From the Social Security Administration, they will send a form letter stating that the SOLE LEGAL REASON to enroll is to participate in the "entitlement program" of FICA / Social Security.

In short, it's 100% voluntary.
And when you ask for the procedure to LEAVE "voluntary participation", you will receive [silence] from them.

I contacted the Congressional Research Service, to inquire about the property rights that participants have in "their" Social Security accounts. The answer: there are no property rights. There is no contract obligating Congress to pay. In fact, entitlements are at the discretion of Congress. And they are synonymous with "gifts".

In exchange for your life long obligation to pay socialist taxes, they throw table crumbs back to you... which are liable to be taxed back, as Congress sees fit.

To connect the dots with Montana seeking to secede, I would suggest that the simpler course is for the American people to cease volunteering in national socialism. That single act would deny power, reduce tax revenues, and eliminate the authority of the Federal government to intrude.
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Old 04-07-2009, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I apologize if I have offended anyone in expressing the fact that participation in Social security is 100% voluntary.

Please feel free to prove me wrong.

All you need to do is write 4 letters to:
1. Your local congressman
2, 3. Your senators
4. SocSec Administrator in Baltimore, MD

Politely ask the following:
A. Please produce the law that requires ALL AMERICANS to enroll in Social Security.
B. Please produce the law that forbids ALL AMERICAN private sector employers from hiring Americans who do not participate in Social Security.
C. Please produce the law that punishes ANY AMERICAN who does not volunteer.

In my own experience, and the experience of countless others, the usual response from #1 through #3, is silence.
From the Social Security Administration, they will send a form letter stating that the SOLE LEGAL REASON to enroll is to participate in the "entitlement program" of FICA / Social Security.

In short, it's 100% voluntary.
And when you ask for the procedure to LEAVE "voluntary participation", you will receive [silence] from them.

I contacted the Congressional Research Service, to inquire about the property rights that participants have in "their" Social Security accounts. The answer: there are no property rights. There is no contract obligating Congress to pay. In fact, entitlements are at the discretion of Congress. And they are synonymous with "gifts".

In exchange for your life long obligation to pay socialist taxes, they throw table crumbs back to you... which are liable to be taxed back, as Congress sees fit.

To connect the dots with Montana seeking to secede, I would suggest that the simpler course is for the American people to cease volunteering in national socialism. That single act would deny power, reduce tax revenues, and eliminate the authority of the Federal government to intrude.
This is the silly nonsense that permeates this site. "Write your congressman and he won't tell you no" His office doesn't answer you because you're a nutcase.

The Social Security Act makes enrollment in the system mandatory for virtually all wage earners.
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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You're preaching to the choir, but you're also advertising mental defect as 'off medication'.
For purposes of this forum, the "medication" I don't use is addiction to government
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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This is the silly nonsense that permeates this site. "Write your congressman and he won't tell you no" His office doesn't answer you because you're a nutcase.

The Social Security Act makes enrollment in the system mandatory for virtually all wage earners.
Instead of calling it "silly nonsense", why don't you cough up some legal cites of your own? Others in this thread have done so; now it's your turn.
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The Social Security Act makes enrollment in the system mandatory for virtually all wage earners.
Let's assume for the moment you are correct in your statement above (you are not but, let's assume you are).

My question to you is, why should social security be mandatory? Why shouldn't the working person decide what's best for their money?
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Old 04-07-2009, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Instead of calling it "silly nonsense", why don't you cough up some legal cites of your own? Others in this thread have done so; now it's your turn.
Because it isn't even important enough to do that. Produce a court case that affirms your position. I'm also not planning to "produce a court case" that the sun comes up in the morning.
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