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I want to know how many of you here feel about black people receiving reparations. I look at how many other groups who were wronged in this nation throughout history and it seems everyone of those groups received payments for their hardships. Native Americans received and are still receiving benefits every year. The Japanese who were interned during WWII received payments. Holocaust survivors in this country have received payments, and the US didn't even cause their hardships. (By the way, Germany has given reparations to the Jewish people)
Everybody received something to help them, except black people. I use to think Native Americans had it worse or as equally bad as black folk, but after looking at history, I couldn't have been more wrong. In fact, Native Americans participated and maintained slavery of black people. The "Civilized" native tribes held onto their slaves a year after the war was over, and it took a treaty and payment for them to finally let go. Let me repeat that, they received PAYMENT to finally let their slaves go. (By the way, some or most white slave owners also received payments for their loss of slaves.) So I no longer feel nothing for the plight of Native Americans other than for anyone who is suffering, no matter their race, I feel sorry for the person and would ideally want to help them.
In conclusion, black people deserve reparations today because absolutely nothing was done to help the former slaves. Not only were they left to their own devices to somehow magically make a living with nothing but the clothes on their back, but they were terrorized for over a hundred years, if not till this day for many. Think about this, around 28% of the total population of black people live in poverty. Around 46% of all black children, ALL, live in poverty. That is almost half folks!!!!!!!!! Does that ring any dang bells for ya? In comparison, white people make up 62% (77% if you include people who want to identify as white), and yet out of all white folks, only 9% live in poverty. What these numbers indicate is black people are only 2 million people short from having a third of their population being in poverty, in spite of living in the richest nation in the world. White people are 47 million people away from a third of their population being in poverty. These are true numbers people, you can do them yourself.
Now, are all these problems facing black people their fault? If it's not, then why are people against the only conscious thing to do in giving reparations? Black people are the most patriotic and loyal people in this country. How can they not after fighting for the nation in spite of real persecution? I've made a poll with this thread to see where everyone is at on this subject.
Sure, just as soon as the Chinese, Italians, Irish, ad nauseum are paid for their injustices, sure. Until THAT day, uh....nope....oh, and you would have to kill affirmative action and every social set aside out there....
Alright, so this next post is for black people who are reading. (Of course everyone is invited to respond) Let me reiterate something, almost a third of our population is living in poverty. Just about everyone in there won't make it out on their own. What this means is, a third of our population will be lost for good, buried underneath all the immigrants coming into the nation, and no I'm not just talking about hispanic or latin immigrants. All of these people groups will take advantage of benefits that should have gone to black people. Its sad that white immigrants, asian immigrants, arab immigrants, and latin immigrants will all benefit from the 13th-15th amendments, and yet their ancestors never had their backs broken to pick cotton. Its sad that from all the free labor this country have received from slaves, no one wants to help their struggling descendants. The main reason their descendants are struggling is because no one helped them nor respected them.
Many years from now, just about all those in poverty will be lost. That will begin to effect those who are just above the poverty line in the black community. As the Hispanic population and Asian population grow, more and more black people will be lost to the wayside. Eventually you will only have a small group of black people (maybe 10 million or more), who will be living relatively convenient lifestyles. Everyone else will be living in the murk and mire, in jail, or dead. (Most just living in the murk and mire) Unless black people come together and form really close communities, we will be done. All black people will be seen for is in the sports and entertainment businesses.
It's happening now. Decent Black people are "done" with carrying the hood rats and fast finding out it's much LESS trouble to live with middle class anglo and Hispanic whites, even if some of us are white supremacists.
I don't know about you but; I'd rather have decent Black people as neighbors than a bunch of meth head PWT and, I'm also "white".
Look, I don't like debating subjects like these amongst whites, but here it is, and I can't help but say something.
First, how can we claim money for other people's labor and servitude, who we don't even know? My ancestors were slaves, in the deep south, I don't know who they were, what they're names were, what they did like or didn't like, who they worked for, how long they worked and what conditions they were under--so how in the world can I claim financial restitution on their behalf nearly 200 years later?
How do you even begin to put a dollar value on that?
Now there are some political systemic mechanisms that hindered blacks from progressing at an equal pace as poor whites did during the mid-20th century--BUT many things have been put in place LONG AGO to rectify that. My parents made it--and I'm sure your's did too. If you haven't made it by now, I don't what else to tell ya.
Firstly, I'm sure they are sleeping well in their unmarked graves seeing their descendants rotting away in this country. Secondly, are the people of Israel feeling guilty that they received payments for the atrocity of the Holocaust? Just this past year, Obama approved of payments to Holocaust survivors in this country who are living in poverty. Native Americans are receiving payments every year, and refusing black native americans their share. Do they feel guilty about receiving payments? Should they? (They should feel guilty about denying black natives. Of course they should feel guilty with helping to maintain slavery)
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Originally Posted by Axxlrod
Ummm, what?
A, for example, Chinese immigrant coming to the US in 2016 would owe what exactly to black people?
This makes no sense. No wonder the idea of reparations is scoffed at.
Lose your entitlement mentality, and get a job. If more black people did that, they wouldn't live in poverty.
If that Chinese immigrant benefits from the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, also benefit from affirmative action, then yes, they do owe black people. If it weren't for black people, those things wouldn't exist as they do.
Even if I were to play the game and say those things are reparations, everyone receives them. Don't you know white people make up the most people who are on those things?
Show me a live slave and they can have reparations.
A civil and constructive conversation on matters related to black people can not and will not be had on this forum.
I wanted to check the temperature here. It's clearly against helping black people. I don't know why. As much as people complain about terrorists trying to get into this country through immigration, it seems like you would try to help your brother struggling in cities like Detroit.
I wanted to check the temperature here. It's clearly against helping black people. I don't know why. As much as people complain about terrorists trying to get into this country through immigration, it seems like you would try to help your brother struggling in cities like Detroit.
OP....they DON'T CARE.
You created this thread in the middle of what is the equivalent of a Trump Rally.
My daughter and I were just discussing this very topic the other day!
I said, yes, they should. The Japanese people who were interned during WWII received reparations. However, they received them almost immediately after the war ended.
It has been so long since Blacks were slaves that it would be pretty impossible to give reparations to every single Black who lives in the US today.
My daughter thought that every Black who was born before the Civil Rights Act was enacted should receive reparations.
It's happening now. Decent Black people are "done" with carrying the hood rats and fast finding out it's much LESS trouble to live with middle class anglo and Hispanic whites, even if some of us are white supremacists.
I don't know about you but; I'd rather have decent Black people as neighbors than a bunch of meth head PWT and, I'm also "white".
I agree with you, and I'm white, black and Hispanic
My favorite argument for reparations is the old black Americans "built America".
No they didn't. All they did was pick the damn cotton. And all that achieved was to save some cheap, lazy white guy whatever the cost difference was between owning slaves and paying white men to work.
The black slaves' labor contribution to the US pales in comparison to the railroad labor of the Chinese. That labor actually made a difference to the country.
My daughter and I were just discussing this very topic the other day!
I said, yes, they should. The Japanese people who were interned during WWII received reparations. However, they received them almost immediately after the war ended.
It has been so long since Blacks were slaves that it would be pretty impossible to give reparations to every single Black who lives in the US today.
My daughter thought that every Black who was born before the Civil Rights Act was enacted should receive reparations.
I thought that was fair.
No. No living slaves then.
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