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Old 09-08-2019, 08:09 AM
 
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Boris clearly seems to be going for no deal at this point.

Both the EU and some of the conservatives he sacked have said the U.K. has not put forward any alternatives to the backstop in negotiations. So the negotiation effort doesn’t appear to be a serious one. Perhaps he feels there is no workable proposal the EU will agree to.

In any case the opposition parties are now saying they will continue to refuse an election until either a deal or an extension is agreed. They see that Boris is serious about coming out with no deal and they want to do everything possible to block that.
The EU is not willing to negotiate in good faith and there is no reason why they should become willing as long as the UK Parliament is on the job doing their best to overturn Brexit.

Boris cannot negotiate with himself. However, once they are out, all of these deals will STILL need to be negotiated. And then the EU will change their tune, because the reason for refusing to behave in a cooperative manner will have been eliminated.

Boris is going for Brexit. The only Brexit available is one without a deal with the EU. But those deals will be achievable later.

 
Old 09-08-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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Tories going up in the polls, while Labour going down:
Jeremy Corbyn support plummets as Boris Johnson snatches 14 point lead in new poll

The Conservative leader’s hardball tactics and his “do or die” Brexit pledge are proving popular with voters, with 35 percent of respondents throwing their support behind his party ahead of Labour’s 21 percent. The YouGov ballot conducted between September 5 and 6 for The Sunday Times gave the Liberal Democrats, led by Jo Swinson, 19 percent of the vote while Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party was on 12 percent.

It showed support for Labour had fallen by four points since an earlier poll on September 2-3, with the Lib Dems and Brexit Party mopping up the votes while backing for the Tories remained the same. So far Mr Johnson has shown no signs he is prepared to abandon his key campaign pledge to deliver Brexit by Halloween with or without a deal.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 08:52 AM
 
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Tories going up in the polls, while Labour going down:
Jeremy Corbyn support plummets as Boris Johnson snatches 14 point lead in new poll

The Conservative leader’s hardball tactics and his “do or die” Brexit pledge are proving popular with voters, with 35 percent of respondents throwing their support behind his party ahead of Labour’s 21 percent. The YouGov ballot conducted between September 5 and 6 for The Sunday Times gave the Liberal Democrats, led by Jo Swinson, 19 percent of the vote while Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party was on 12 percent.

It showed support for Labour had fallen by four points since an earlier poll on September 2-3, with the Lib Dems and Brexit Party mopping up the votes while backing for the Tories remained the same. So far Mr Johnson has shown no signs he is prepared to abandon his key campaign pledge to deliver Brexit by Halloween with or without a deal.
Labour declined but Lib Dems look to be making major gains and they are full pro-remain party.

Unless the Tories get the Brexit party to stand down they may not get a majority.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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Tories going up in the polls, while Labour going down:
Jeremy Corbyn support plummets as Boris Johnson snatches 14 point lead in new poll

The Conservative leader’s hardball tactics and his “do or die” Brexit pledge are proving popular with voters, with 35 percent of respondents throwing their support behind his party ahead of Labour’s 21 percent. The YouGov ballot conducted between September 5 and 6 for The Sunday Times gave the Liberal Democrats, led by Jo Swinson, 19 percent of the vote while Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party was on 12 percent.

It showed support for Labour had fallen by four points since an earlier poll on September 2-3, with the Lib Dems and Brexit Party mopping up the votes while backing for the Tories remained the same. So far Mr Johnson has shown no signs he is prepared to abandon his key campaign pledge to deliver Brexit by Halloween with or without a deal.
We are fond of a suicide mission here in England, and we like the cut of Boris's jib. He has said he would rather lie dead in a ditch, than go ask the EU for yet another extension. Stick to that, and he will clean up in a General Election.

The opposition are ganging up on him, releasing the English fondness for the underdog. If Boris sticks to his guns, he will win an election. It's coming soon. The Labour party is in retreat, at a time it should be running away with the electorate, if they want to remain in the EU, as we keep being told.

We will find out soon just what the public want. I believe Labour are in for the shock of their lives. The Liberals led by a schoolgirl, may not do too badly. We are fond of a goody two shoes.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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We are fond of a suicide mission here in England, and we like the cut of Boris's jib. He has said he would rather lie dead in a ditch, than go ask the EU for yet another extension. Stick to that, and he will clean up in a General Election.

The opposition are ganging up on him, releasing the English fondness for the underdog. If Boris sticks to his guns, he will win an election. It's coming soon. The Labour party is in retreat, at a time it should be running away with the electorate, if they want to remain in the EU, as we keep being told.

We will find out soon just what the public want. I believe Labour are in for the shock of their lives. The Liberals led by a schoolgirl, may not do too badly. We are fond of a goody two shoes.
Can you imagine how those sentiments would be amplified if they actually threw Boris in jail for standing his ground on this subject? He would be untouchable after that.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 10:17 AM
 
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If what is going on in the UK is reflected accurately on this thread, it is no wonder things are in such a turmoil.

Constant complaints about how the EU is being "unreasonable" by expecting that there will be a customs border with a country that will no longer be part of the EU.

The strange belief that the UK is the big dog here, that the UK is about to get nasty, ... and that somehow this will convince the EU to drop their "unreasonable" insistence on a customs border.

The conviction that despite what economists predict, going it alone will be great for the UK economy.

None of this makes much sense.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 10:31 AM
 
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Can you imagine how those sentiments would be amplified if they actually threw Boris in jail for standing his ground on this subject? He would be untouchable after that.
If Boris does try to ignore the law it will be interesting to see whether he can get away with it.

Unfortunately in the US we do currently have a system where our president is effectively above the law. If the British do not have such a system then it would seemingly be plausible that the PM could face jail if he violates the law. However if his powers as PM give him the prerogative to do so, that test will be interesting to see.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 10:33 AM
 
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If what is going on in the UK is reflected accurately on this thread, it is no wonder things are in such a turmoil.

Constant complaints about how the EU is being "unreasonable" by expecting that there will be a customs border with a country that will no longer be part of the EU.

The strange belief that the UK is the big dog here, that the UK is about to get nasty, ... and that somehow this will convince the EU to drop their "unreasonable" insistence on a customs border.

The conviction that despite what economists predict, going it alone will be great for the UK economy.

None of this makes much sense.
The idea that you wouldn’t have to have a customs border between two neighboring countries with different trade rules never made sense to me.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 10:36 AM
 
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Can you imagine how those sentiments would be amplified if they actually threw Boris in jail for standing his ground on this subject? He would be untouchable after that.
Throw Boris in jail for refusing to crawl to the EU for an extension? Go on........ do it.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 01:22 PM
 
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Boris Johnson will sabotage the extension, if there isn't a deal, according to unnamed sources inside #10. And he will take "a chainsaw to anything" standing in his way.

His government also appears to be taking steps that would sabotage the functioning of the EU - by refusing to appoint a Commisioner to the EU from the UK - then the commission cannot constitute itself under the terms of the EU constitution.

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A senior Number 10 source told the Times: “If there isn’t a deal by the 18th we will sabotage the extension.” Another source said Mr Johnson was prepared to “take a chainsaw to anything” standing in its way.

This comes after reports of Mr Johnson will attempt to provoke Brussels chiefs into kicking the UK out of the EU. Mr Johnson’s *advisers have found an *obscure EU law which they claim would *enable the UK to paralyse the ruling European Commission if the UK is still part of the EU on October 31, Mirror Online has reported.

The Commission needs to have 28 commissioners by November 1, as this will be one for each member state. But Mr Johnson will refuse to *supply one from Britain, which means the Commission cannot legally constitute itself. A No.10 source said: “We will play the EU at their own game and fight fire with fire.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ory-amber-rudd
Probably better just to go ahead and leave on October 31, right on schedule.
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