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The vote tomorrow specifically asks parliament if they want a no deal brexit on the 29th. If it fails as predicted and given that the pm has stated that she will be voting against it, the odds of a no deal brexit on the 29th are slim.
I agree. I'm not sure why people see that as the most likely outcome. Both sides (UK and EU) do not want a no deal exit.
So far she really has handled this as well as any human being that was trying to extricate her country from the EU possibly could. And this decision continues that trend.
This is the dumbest statement yet in this thread.
In hindsight especially its easy to see that no she didn't handle it as well as she could. She spent years negotiating a deal without even understanding what Parliament would back.
The vote tomorrow specifically asks parliament if they want a no deal brexit on the 29th. If it fails as predicted and given that the pm has stated that she will be voting against it, the odds of a no deal brexit on the 29th are slim.
That isn't what they are being asked.
They are being asked to remove "no-deal" from the table. And that vote won't have any weight, if the EU doesn't also approve it.
In hindsight especially its easy to see that no she didn't handle it as well as she could. She spent years negotiating a deal without even understanding what Parliament would back.
If she had insisted during her negotiations with the EU on a deal that she was confident the UK Parliament would back, then the EU would have rejected that deal and there would have been no deal to vote on. If she had come back empty handed, then she would have been forced out. But she came back with a deal, albeit a bad deal.
The deal with the EU was something to vote on and it was the best deal that she was going to get unanimously approved by ALL the countries of the EU27. In other words, there is apparently no deal to be had that can be unanimously pass the EU 27 and also the UK Parliament.
By bringing back even a bad deal from the EU that the UK Parliament could debate and vote on, she allowed herself to keep this process going until the end. Now she is very close. All she needs to do is hang on for a short while longer and her lasting legacy will be as the UK PM who achieved Brexit for the UK.
It may take a number of years, but if she pulls this off, she will eventually be regarded as a British hero. Mark it down. And don't think for a second that she does not know it.
It may take a number of years, but if she pulls this off, she will eventually be regarded as a British hero. Mark it down. And don't think for a second that she does not know it.
Well that all depends on how well Brexit, if it happens, goes and how well it is perceived over time. No one knows that yet.
The vote tomorrow specifically asks parliament if they want a no deal brexit on the 29th. If it fails as predicted and given that the pm has stated that she will be voting against it, the odds of a no deal brexit on the 29th are slim.
The vote doesn't ask if they want a no deal, as it's in everyones interest to have a deal, the vote is in fact in relation to stopping the UK leaving without a deal. Although it's destined to fail.
Parliament will have a third vote on May's deal on Thursday night.
However some members of the Conservative Party I listened to, are happy to leave on the 29th March and then try to negotiate a trade deal.
The government statement, which will be the basis of the debate, says two things:
1) That parliament rejects leaving the EU without a deal on March 29
2) notes that leaving without a deal remains the legal default unless a deal is agreed.
May told her party that they would be able to vote according to their conscience on this motion, instead of imposing a party instruction to vote for or against it.
There were two amendments approved by Speaker Bercow to the original text.
MPs will also vote on two amendments
The first rejects a no-deal Brexit at any time and the second calls for a delay to Brexit from 29 March to 22 May to give time to leave without a deal (the second is the Malthouse Compromise)
However, from the same link, the sponsor of the first amendment, which would reject a no deal Brexit at any time, will not actually be put forward.
Spelman no longer backing own amendment
Dame Caroline Spelman, a former Conservative party chairwoman, decides she will not push her amendment to a vote.
Hers was one of two amendments - the other is the Malthouse Amendment - that were due to be voted on by MPs later today.
However, Dame Caroline, the main sponsor of the amendment, has decided not to push for it. It is theoretically possible that someone else could - but that would be unusual.
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It's fascinating to watch Sky News today. The TV punditry, never without something to say, really doesn't know what to say now. Nobody knows what is happening.
It's fascinating to watch Sky News today. The TV punditry, never without something to say, really doesn't know what to say now. Nobody knows what is happening.
I do not know why so many of these people are in such a state of confusion. The votes today are for virtue signalling purposes only. They will on their own have no practical effect, other than perhaps to stimulate some other action in the future that could have a practical effect.
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