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Hm. This is weird. Because I'e been assured, repeatedly, that a well-armed population is the best - nay, the only - bulwark against government overreach.
Now I'm informed that due to the prevalence of firearms, US police has to escalate to deadly force much sooner than police forces in other countries?
Seems to me that being shot by police is a pretty good example of government brutality, but I am sure someone will be along to explain to me why it isn't.
Only someone who is an extreme threat would pull a knife on police who are pointing guns at them. Good shoots all of them. The Young Turks are a joke? The name the "Young Turks" was also used by the Turks who committed the Armenian genocide. How's that for Hypocrisy.
So it's therefore okay to just resort to shooting the mentally ill, homeless or those under the influence od drugs or alcohol, and to just shoot anyone with or without a weapon as long as they are acting in what the police deem a violent manner.
I think most sensible people would agree that the Police should only be taking someones life as a matter of last resort.
See the videos of cops that either were stabbed to death or scalped that thought that way too.
The French cops almost never let a shooter live. The British are the ones that are giant pansies when it comes to police use of force.
In my opinion, the cops fail every time they take an active shooter alive. There is absolutely no good reason to take a shooter into custody. Waste of millions in taxpayer dollars.
Hm. This is weird. Because I'e been assured, repeatedly, that a well-armed population is the best - nay, the only - bulwark against government overreach.
Now I'm informed that due to the prevalence of firearms, US police has to escalate to deadly force much sooner than police forces in other countries?
Seems to me that being shot by police is a pretty good example of government brutality, but I am sure someone will be along to explain to me why it isn't.
You're logical flaw is that you are only looking at the negatives associated with gun ownership as opposed to the positives. There are dozens and dozens of historical examples showing the value for you to learn from out there.
Heck, maybe start with Jim Crow laws and other efforts to keep blacks unarmed after the end of slavery.
I think most people have little idea how use of force is taught or what it means in real life.
Count to 3. Ready?
1
2... you've been shot
Th thhh thrrrr thr.....
All police are taught to use the least amount of force needed to overcome resistance. Note the word "overcome". Not a standstill, not equal force but that force needed to overcome the force being used by the suspect. What does this mean?
1. Hands are not an appropriate response to any weapon.
2. A baton or stun gun is not an appropriate response to a deadly weapon such as a knife, machete, pitchfork.
3. A pistol is not an appropriate response to carbine.
4. A carbine is not an appropriate response to a rifle.
There is no expectation that a police forfeit their life for anyone else, its not a requirement nor an expectation. They are not paid, contrary to myth, to give up their life in the defense of others. If you believe they are, you're mistaken.
As we sit here casting judgement based on tv shows where action shots from multiple angles give you false perspectives and after being shot 7 times the cop tears off their bullet resistant (none are bullet proof) vest and walk away don't forget the actor was paid a lot of money they get to spend the next day and it was all pretend.
Those of us who dare sit in judgement never see what the police sees. You hear someone screaming like an animal from the sidelines and think they have a clue when all they were was a bystander who just happened to have video rolling. How convenient is that? Just how long does it take you to get out your cell phone and start the video function? Ten times as long as it takes a bullet to kill a cop so where do all these spontaneous videos come from?
I don't know about you but if someone is intent on punching me I'm picking up a stick, if you have a knife my answer is a gun and I'm not a psychiatrist who from some comfortable deep seating leather chair is being paid to find out what mental problems you might have. If only one of us gets to eat dinner tonight, its going to be me if you try to do me harm.
I was alway taught never point agin unless you plan on killing, that lady co got out of the car pointing her gun . She planned on killing him before she got out of the car. She had to fire before her backup got in place or she wouldn't have chance
It's very covenient for certain groups to just play the race guard, but when you look at US Society it is very different to European Society and other parts of the world.
For a start the US Police are more primed to expect and react to firearms, their training is different and their organisation is also very different. There is also a good deal of difference between small local police departments and State Police Departments, whilst the police are afforded much more protection in terms of the US Supreme Court.
In 1989 the US Supreme Court deemed it constitutionally permissible for police to use deadly force when they “reasonably” perceive imminent and grave harm. State laws regulating deadly force – in the 38 states where they exist – are almost always as permissive as Supreme Court precedent allows, or more so.
In Europe, the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) which has been signed by some 47 European Countries, makes it abundantly clear in Article 2 that the Right to Life is paramount and that to take a life must be a last resort and that force should be no more than absolutely necessary, whilst there is also a positive duty to protect life. Killings excused under America’s “reasonable belief” standards often violate Europe’s “absolute necessity” standards.
So police in Europe have a duty to try all means in order to de-esculate situations and to use non-lethal force for instance when someone has a knife rather than resort to firearms. Indeed far more training is aimed at de-esculation in many European countries than is apparent in the US.
The US Police are far more aggressive in their approach and I have to admit if you are constantly wary of being shot, then you are going to be primed in this way.
I think the Link to the Article below deals all of these points and others more thoroughly, and is one of more sensible articles I have reas when it comes to the different policing style in the US and Europe.
That article conveniently overlooks the fact that unlike Europe the US has a massive violent street gang population that cops must contend with. It also ignores the fact that we have a massive drug gang war on our southern border the spills over into the US everyday. These factors aren't even mentioned in the article.
But it does mention 'gun culture'. But in the US our traditional 'gun culture' consists of law abiding citizens who hunt, target shoot etc.... our traditional 'gun culture' has nothing to do with cops using deadly force. And the people they do shoot are very rarely part of our traditional gun culture.
And naturally he threw in the racism charge.
Police in the US are constantly trained in the use of non-lethal force and how to de-escalate situations. They aren't nearly as trigger happy as they could be given the circumstances they face.
Hm. This is weird. Because I'e been assured, repeatedly, that a well-armed population is the best - nay, the only - bulwark against government overreach.
Now I'm informed that due to the prevalence of firearms, US police has to escalate to deadly force much sooner than police forces in other countries?
Seems to me that being shot by police is a pretty good example of government brutality, but I am sure someone will be along to explain to me why it isn't.
You are conflating day to day police work, which you benefit greatly from, and the government use of force to force you to abdicate your liberty for government power.
The French cops almost never let a shooter live. The British are the ones that are giant pansies when it comes to police use of force.
In my opinion, the cops fail every time they take an active shooter alive. There is absolutely no good reason to take a shooter into custody. Waste of millions in taxpayer dollars.
Well said.
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