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Old 10-11-2019, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by jaminhealth View Post
Oh lovely how some dear members keep track of what I "take"...I hope I don't have to take anymore, and one I"m taking is reduced by 1/2 since HGH homeopathic. And you are not keeping accurate track, I take 3 including ibuprofen 1 every 6 hrs for OA and I'd love NOT to. ummm
What?? I thought this HGH was doing it for you??
Why still taking ibufrofen at any level?
I did, BTW, check online, since I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Whoa! Mostly a MLM product! Are you getting cheaper from a reliable source??

 
Old 10-11-2019, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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What?? I thought this HGH was doing it for you??
Why still taking ibufrofen at any level?
I did, BTW, check online, since I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Whoa! Mostly a MLM product! Are you getting cheaper from a reliable source??
Yes it's doing some as I was taking 2 ibuprofen every 6 hrs for too many years.

There are no price breaks and I pay about $80 every month for this "gel".

And WHY am I taking it, if only I did have bodywide OA going on 60 yrs....that is WHY. And I'm doing all I can to stay off any hard drugs and any more surgery...so far the HGH is supporting my efforts.

So many naysayers and they have NO CLUE as they've never used it...it's so new.
 
Old 10-11-2019, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Somewhere gray and damp, close to the West Coast
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"cures could be bad for business in the long run"


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/gold...ess-model.html
 
Old 10-11-2019, 02:11 PM
 
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What is totally lost in that comment is customer vs patient. And life and health value returned to that patient and their family.

We docs work in the best interests of our patients. If there is a cure, then there is a permanent success and that needs to be applauded. There will always be plenty of other patients, as the docs' work is never done.
While I believe most docs (certainly the top tier of specialists and most GP's) are in that camp, the field as a whole isn't.

This isn't an opinion. You can talk to people who worked on Wall Street for decades studying the entire 3 Trillion dollar industry. It's about "opportunity". Those forces, unfortunately, are larger than you being good to a patient...

Same reason antibiotics aren't high on the list of R&D these days. Big Pharma wants stuff that people have to take forever. Look at even the "miracle" compounds which were designed for short term use - SSRIs. Despite never being designed or tested for decades of use, that is the way they are used by most all.

Why? Because on one hand it's cheaper but on the other it makes more profit.

Same is true with the opiate crisis and most everything else. Big Pharma would not have done a single thing differently if they knew what was going to happen (and they did, to an extent). Why should they? When the punishments NEVER fit the crime, surely human nature is going to go for the Gold.

GP's are now stuck with dealing with the fallout - but the Sackers and the big Pharma outfits don't care. Neither do the lawyers and all the orgs that will profit from the lawsuits.
 
Old 10-11-2019, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The title of this thread is utter nonsense.

First of all, it completely ignores the fact that the people who develop new treatments and medications, make them, sell them, and prescribe them also get the diseases that those treatments and drugs are used to treat. The idea that those people do not want treatments and drugs that "Heal & Cure" is absolutely ludicrous.

The idea that drug companies do not want to develop "one and done" treatments is also nonsense. So what if the drug is a victim of its own success? It made money for the maker even if the larger profits are loaded on the front end and diminish over time. Medical progress has always put some people out of business. Vaccines, for example, have greatly reduced the need for hospital beds for treatment of the diseases those vaccine prevent. The March of Dimes initially helped raise money for polio research. When polio was eliminated in the US with the advent of a successful vaccine it switched its focus to birth defects.

Why shouldn't drug companies make a profit? Who would want to run a business that is not profitable? Sure, the price gouging on some meds needs to stop, but with no profit there would be no meds at all.

Why do docs push screening tests? Because the evidence shows they save lives (and money) in the long run.

Colonoscopy? the testing interval is individualized and based on the findings with previous studies and family history. It remains the gold standard, and some of us prefer doing the scope because to do some of the alternatives you still have to do the prep - which is the worst part of the procedure.

Mammograms? Reading them can be difficult, and they can be strongly suggestive of cancer but it takes a biopsy to be sure. Treatment is never based on a mammogram alone. The "false positive" screening test cannot be determined until after the biopsy is done. It would be great if docs could tell ahead of time just looking at a mammogram who will have a "false positive."

Treatment for a cancer when none was present would have to be based on a problem with interpretation of a biopsy, and that would happen extremely rarely.

The answer to "Why haven't they spent the money developing a more accurate mammogram with all the focus o[w]n breast cancer?" is that they have.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...you-ask-for-3d

On antioxidants and cancer:

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...nts-fact-sheet

"Overall, these nine randomized controlled clinical trials did not provide evidence that dietary antioxidant supplements are beneficial in primary cancer prevention. In addition, a systematic review of the available evidence regarding the use of vitamin and mineral supplements for the prevention of chronic diseases, including cancer, conducted for the United States Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) likewise found no clear evidence of benefit in preventing cancer."

No homeopathy product has been shown to work better than placebo. If you want to pay the price for the placebo effect, have at it. By the way, the companies that make those products do so because they are - wait for it - profitable.

Other countries? The UK is removing NHS funding for homeopathy.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/15/homeo...e-nhs-7844469/

Homeopathy, France:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...lthcare-system

Australia:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...n-report-finds

I would love to see a source for the comment that "anyone on a med for a chronic problem will invariably have side effects or another health problem." I know plenty of people who take medications with no side effects whatsoever, so it is not true that adverse effects requiring another med are inevitable. When side effects do happen, the first response is usually to change the dose or switch to a different med. Always there is a discussion of benefits versus risks for any treatment.

"Medical INDUSTRY does NOT want to Heal & Cure" is hogwash.
 
Old 10-11-2019, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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This just showed up on the Fear Trolls from Pharma et al...I do NOT do vaccines but the Fear instilled in the people to do them, omg.
Anti-vaxers attack pro-vaxers, too.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/healt...ise/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...earned-attack/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Facebook.html
 
Old 10-11-2019, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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The gel: Somatropin 30X, Glandula Suprarenalis Suis 6X, Thyroidinum 8X

Look it up naysayers and it's working for 1000's and numbers growing daily. It's headed to other countries and now in Hong Kong.

And working in the opposite directions of millions who are aging and being hit with more dread diseases.
 
Old 10-11-2019, 03:33 PM
 
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The title of this thread is utter nonsense.


"Medical INDUSTRY does NOT want to Heal & Cure" is hogwash.
THINK again. You know, THINK.

Goldman Sachs asks in biotech research report: ‘Is curing patients a sustainable business model?’
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/gold...ess-model.html

“The potential to deliver ‘one shot cures’ is one of the most attractive aspects of gene therapy, genetically-engineered cell therapy and gene editing. However, such treatments offer a very different outlook with regard to recurring revenue versus chronic therapies,” analyst Salveen Richter wrote in the note to clients Tuesday. “While this proposition carries tremendous value for patients and society, it could represent a challenge for genome medicine developers looking for sustained cash flow.”

Richter cited Gilead Sciences’ treatments for hepatitis C, which achieved cure rates of more than 90 percent. The company’s U.S. sales for these hepatitis C treatments peaked at $12.5 billion in 2015, but have been falling ever since. Goldman estimates the U.S. sales for these treatments will be less than $4 billion this year, according to a table in the report.

“GILD is a case in point, where the success of its hepatitis C franchise has gradually exhausted the available pool of treatable patients,” the analyst wrote. “In the case of infectious diseases such as hepatitis C, curing existing patients also decreases the number of carriers able to transmit the virus to new patients, thus the incident pool also declines … Where an incident pool remains stable (eg, in cancer) the potential for a cure poses less risk to the sustainability of a franchise.


Cure rates of 90% = loss of $8 billion dollars. They won't do that again.

Note they speak in terms of the "success of the franchise [cure]" and the lack of treatable patients (customers).
 
Old 10-11-2019, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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The gel: Somatropin 30X, Glandula Suprarenalis Suis 6X, Thyroidinum 8X

Look it up naysayers and it's working for 1000's and numbers growing daily. It's headed to other countries and now in Hong Kong.

And working in the opposite directions of millions who are aging and being hit with more dread diseases.
So I looked up "Glandula Suprarenalis Suis 6X", which is only mentioned on the seller's website. The seller also doesn't explain exactly what this ingredient is, or its specific function. Do you know what it is or do you just blindly buy the product? Are there any clinical trials of this substance or the other substances in this gel? How do you know that it's working for thousands - because the manufacturer claims it is true? BTW, the fact that it is heading to Hong Kong is not a great qualifier, IMHO - there are still men there who will buy powdered rhino horn to enhance their virility.
 
Old 10-11-2019, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Certainly! When people self-diagnose a disease that they likely don't have to start with and then take a homeopathic "cure" that then appears to work on something that was non-existent I guess that feels very powerful to someone! They are "judge, jury, and executioner" in their own mind.
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Which is exactly the same when a medical patient tests false-positive for cancer, is treated and then deemed "cured" of a disease they never had.

Works both ways.
Usually there are various tests available that validate and confirm a diagnosis - treatment doesn't just begin, based on completely subjective self-reports of symptoms. And many times a positive test result is re-tested, especially if the available treatments have deleterious effects if misapplied.
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