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Old 10-23-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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What would you focus on when looking into this issue so that the info the public receives on this issue is accurate?

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Still, a study by the American Association of University Women controlled for a number of factors, including college major, occupation, age, geographical region and hours worked, and found a persistent 7 percent wage gap between men and women a year after graduating college.

The report explored discrimination and reluctance among women to ask for raises as reasons for the remaining gap, though those factors are hard to measure...

PolitiFact Sheet: The Gender Pay Gap | PolitiFact
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Old 10-23-2016, 01:50 PM
 
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I recall people used to fight for equal opportunity. Apparently now some tell us equal outcome is the new measuring stick of equality.
I'm not afraid to say, that is not how equality works.
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Old 10-23-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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- not all colleges are equal
- not all companies are equal
- not all job markets are equal
- not all employee performance is equal

Those are just a few of many things...

The number of gender based compensation discrimination findings is low, very, very low. As much as some people are making an issue out of this, the number of claims, and the number of actual findings is very low. A lot of these findings are not even disparate treatment, but disparate impact, in that when the gov forces the award, some men fall victim because they are now being paid less than women, but the gov efforts were only on women and making them whole. Can give an example if needed.

Not saying gender discrimination does not exist, but the whole pay gap issue is false, and has been proven false. The factors used to come to the conclusion are wrong, and purposely selected to reach the conclusion they wanted. For example, they use "college graduate", yet do not factor the fact that not all colleges are equal, and some colleges have more/less regional strength than others. Market rates change, someone hired today may be over or under the market rate next year. An account hired in 2007 has a market rate higher than one hired in 2009.

Also; when has the federal government ever did a review of their hiring and compensation?
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Old 10-23-2016, 03:07 PM
 
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What would you focus on when looking into this issue so that the info the public receives on this issue is accurate?
Lets start with how Politifact is a leftist group purporting to be a neutral arbiter.
So however they frame an article/issue, rest assured it is framed from a liberal perspective.

Frankly, I think this is a call for a solution in search of a problem.
If a woman is successful and productive to a business, she will be hired, promoted, given raises, etc. No business looking to be profitable would keep their best pitchers on the bench.
The gap if you will is created more by choice than limitations. Women choose to take more time away from their careers than do men, typically to have children and raise them. That is an admirable thing, not something to be derided.
More importantly, we need to look at other mitigating factors that cause the disparity in pay. If you own an interest trucking company, the drivers are most men. Not be restriction, but by choice and available drivers you can hire. They naturally make the most money, because without them, there is no business. However some feminists try to create a false narrative and compare women working for the company as secretarial/clerical/operations to the male drivers.
While the women (and men in those operation type jobs) are important, the drivers are the ones making the most money. So when the feminists/liberals report on XYZ Trucking paying the women 30% less than the men working for the company, it sounds discriminatory. In reality, it is the nature of the specific job tasks which create the disparity.

Additionally, have you ever noticed that certain industries are not used for comparison? It is because the women are doing the jobs more important to the companies profit margin, thus they make more than the men. Thus feminists groups will not say a company like ADP or Paychex pays their women more than their male counterparts, because it does not fit their agenda.
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Old 10-23-2016, 03:10 PM
 
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If equally capable women can be hired for 7% less than men then a non-sexist company should hire practically all women.
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Old 10-23-2016, 03:15 PM
 
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If equally capable women can be hired for 7% less than men then a non-sexist company should hire practically all women.
There are a lot of numbers that get overlooked.

Is the DNC and Hillary's campaign both sexist for paying men more?

Men work on average 200 hours more a year. Who is more likely to get raises, someone who works 10 percent more hours a year or less?
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Old 10-23-2016, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Sale Creek, TN
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You would have to look at the records of every company big or small. You can't just do comparisons across the country. As long as everyone is paid the same for the same job within that company, no problem. I'm talking about what the pay rate is, not what they have earned at the end of the year.
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Old 10-23-2016, 03:49 PM
 
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Let's just pay men less and then everyone will be equal . It's the communist way.
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Old 10-23-2016, 03:50 PM
 
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You would have to look at the records of every company big or small. You can't just do comparisons across the country. As long as everyone is paid the same for the same job within that company, no problem. I'm talking about what the pay rate is, not what they have earned at the end of the year.
That doesn't work, either. Pay increases and decreases based on tenure, accomplishments, employer incentives, poor performance or a variety of other possibilities , can alter salary within identical positions. Also, pay differs state to state or even district to district within the same company for exactly the same employee in the same position.
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Old 10-23-2016, 03:58 PM
 
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There are a lot of numbers that get overlooked.

Is the DNC and Hillary's campaign both sexist for paying men more?

Men work on average 200 hours more a year. Who is more likely to get raises, someone who works 10 percent more hours a year or less?
Supposedly they controlled for that and still found a 7% gap.

7% or less I can buy. Whenever somebody trots out the old "women make $.77 for every dollar a man makes", you know that person is either an idiot, or thinks that you're an idiot and is purposely trying to deceive you for political reasons.
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