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Old 10-26-2016, 05:27 PM
 
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Bahaha. Don't even try and pin the Bush economic catastrophe on Obama. Bush handed Obama a steaming pile of **** to deal with and just one year after taking office Obama had us back into job growth.

9 million jobs lost in 2008 and 2009 is BUSH's fault. Not obamas. Since the bottom we have created 16 million private sector jobs.
Maybe one day you'll learn something and understand the economic collapse. Anyone who blames Bush shows how ignorant they are.

I'm guessing you blame Katrina on Bush. Lol
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Old 10-26-2016, 06:07 PM
 
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He's SO much better than any living GOP ex-president.

America is in MUCH better shape at the end of his term than it was at the beginning. What a horrible mess he inherited from the Pubs. And despite their lockstep obstruction, he's made things better.

Pubs could learn a lesson from this.

But they probably won't.

Like our increased national debt?
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Old 10-26-2016, 06:14 PM
 
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First of all, most people do not think Obama is a great president. I think most people either hate him, and would hate him no matter what he did, or else appreciate many things he did, while feeling that he felt short of expectations.

To try to reply to some of your points:
-Obamacare has been a hugely successful first step, and it's enormously to his credit that, in the face of extraordinary opposition, he got any semblance of a program that presidents have been trying to pass for over a half-century.
-Anyone who does even a minimal amount of reading would know that all objective assessments blame the divisiveness squarely on Republicans.
-A western hemisphere president doesn't control what happens in the middle east, no matter what you may like to imagine.
-There have been no concerted terrorism attacks planned by Al Queda/ISIS during Obama's tenure; individual lone actors can't all be prevented now, any more than were the assassinations and assassination attempts on Kennedy or Reagan.
-Illegal immigration is apparently much improved, although of course it doesn't progress unless Republicans become more willing to sit down and work it out.

Some reasons Obama may be considered "cool" (a stupid word, anyway) are:

He'd delightfully articulate.
He's very poised and self-possessed (in start contrast to Trump).
He has a great sense of humor.
He's a great role model as a person, husband, father.
He's basically a classy guy, smart, eclectic, well-spoken, aware of the world.
He exploited the Newtown families and lectured those against gun control. I would hardly call that "classy."



Can't do a speech without writing it down.


Don't forget "uh"
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Old 10-26-2016, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Like our increased national debt?
See your GOP congress about that spending/budgeting.

Government 101.

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Old 10-26-2016, 07:28 PM
 
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Your typical left politician. Paints a rosy picture on EVERYTHING despite all the evidence to the contrary and REALITY negating it. And the moron sheeple eat it up. PEople are so easy to brainwash today.

He wasn't "Horrible" but he wasn't anything special. You could have pulled some joe shmoes of the street and they would have accomplished more in their tenure of 8 years besides the same old window dressing and teleprompter speeches Obama spews.

He was just out of his depth for the position and LAZY. Spent more time on the gulf course and flying around on our dime than doing anything. Took advantage of the perks, didn't fulfill much of responsibilities.

Sadly, thats MOST people in positions of power in the private and public sector. They don't accomplish crapola today. Just sit there and take advantage of the perks of the job
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Old 10-26-2016, 07:41 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Clarallel View Post
First of all, most people do not think Obama is a great president. I think most people either hate him, and would hate him no matter what he did, or else appreciate many things he did, while feeling that he felt short of expectations.

To try to reply to some of your points:
-Obamacare has been a hugely successful first step, and it's enormously to his credit that, in the face of extraordinary opposition, he got any semblance of a program that presidents have been trying to pass for over a half-century.
-Anyone who does even a minimal amount of reading would know that all objective assessments blame the divisiveness squarely on Republicans.
-A western hemisphere president doesn't control what happens in the middle east, no matter what you may like to imagine.
-There have been no concerted terrorism attacks planned by Al Queda/ISIS during Obama's tenure; individual lone actors can't all be prevented now, any more than were the assassinations and assassination attempts on Kennedy or Reagan.
-Illegal immigration is apparently much improved, although of course it doesn't progress unless Republicans become more willing to sit down and work it out.

Some reasons Obama may be considered "cool" (a stupid word, anyway) are:

He'd delightfully articulate.
He's very poised and self-possessed (in start contrast to Trump).
He has a great sense of humor.
He's a great role model as a person, husband, father.
He's basically a classy guy, smart, eclectic, well-spoken, aware of the world
.

Just another way to say he's a typical "BS" politician who lies to your face, lies about the realities of the country and your typical car salesman with sociopathic tendencies
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Old 10-26-2016, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The Obama fans are simply delusional.
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Old 10-26-2016, 08:10 PM
 
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The reason people believe the corrupt liar-in-chief is because he goes on TV and tells everyone what a huge success he has been, and all of the sheeple believe him, no matter how contrariety the facts may be. His latest BS brag, "Eight years in office and not a single scandal". What a crock of Bull dropping that one is. Or, how about how wonderful obamacare has been? another laugher..!
The woman man is nothing but a corrupt liar who has done great harm to America..
Did he really? I guess if you know the media isn't going to call you on it, you can say whatever damn thing you want. What about the IRS scandal? The Fast and Furious gun walking into the hands of Mexican cartels that ended up murdering Americans and who knows how many Mexicans? What about the Veterans' Administration scandal? Benghazi? Solyndra? Nearly a trillion dollar stimulus that built no new infrastructure or shovel ready jobs? For perspective, a trillion seconds ago was over 31,000 years earlier. Think about all the bridges and dams and levies that money could have built or fixed.

What about the rise of ISIS and all the terrorist attacks committed by people the government had on their radar but did nothing about? What about the greatest mass migration of people in the world fleeing his and Bush's policies?

So he didn't cheat on his wife. Big whoop! Neither did Bush, and I know of two known philanderers who were better presidents than either of those two, and more besides. Kennedy, Clinton, Eisenhower, FDR, all known for their infidelities, but also great leadership.
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Old 10-26-2016, 08:15 PM
 
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If Trump had a D next to his name, they would be swooning over him. It's essentially rooting for your sports team.
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Old 10-26-2016, 08:30 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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How can you be so wrong and believe what you say..
You are responding to post #4. If anything I said in that post was untrue then (please) point those things out to me and the forum.

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Very sad indeed, you are destroying your children's future and doing it with blinders on..
All the evidence suggests that it's you that is trying to destroy our children's future. Donald Trump/republicans will raise our national debt to 127% of GDP (Hillary will keep it at 87% of GDP.)

And Hillary "would spend $350 billion more on college education, $300 billion more on infrastructure, another $300 billion on paid family leave, and nearly half a trillion on a variety of other initiatives."
Promises and Price Tags: A Fiscal Guide to the 2016 Election | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

Are our children better off with a debt of 87% or 127% of GDP?

And are our children better off with $350 billion dollars spent on education and $300 billion spent on infrastructure, or are they better off without that spending?

And its Donald Trumps supply side tax cuts that will cause the effects above. Trumps tax cuts will give the 20% of Americans making an average of $50,900 a year 8% of the tax cuts, and then give the richest 5% of Americans 51% of the tax cuts.
Donald Trump's Tax Plan Would Cost $12 Trillion | CTJReports

How is raising our children's national debt to 127% of GDP by giving the richest 5% of Americans tax cuts a good thing for our children's future?
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