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Old 11-12-2016, 01:21 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/sc...-epa.html?_r=0

seems the left's war on American energy is going to come to an abrupt end.
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Old 11-12-2016, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Looks like the right's war on science has taken the Great Leap Forward.
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Old 11-12-2016, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Sherman Oaks, CA
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Climate change is real; it's happening now, but some people are just too stupid or willfully blind to see it. You've been sold a line of crap by big oil and the politicians who are in their pockets and always have been. Climate change deniers will only wake up when it's too late, when we've poisoned the environment beyond any reasonable hope of repair within our lifetimes. Try looking into the science of it sometime. It might be very illuminating.
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Old 11-12-2016, 01:27 PM
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/sc...-epa.html?_r=0

seems the left's war on American energy is going to come to an abrupt end.
Thank God for that. Real science not leftwing wacko science.
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Old 11-12-2016, 01:29 PM
 
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If humans lived 1,000 years, we would care about climate change, and would be willing to do whatever it took to stop it. Climate deniers deny climate change because they know that they won't be alive to suffer its consequences. It's the first time in human history where we have to think about the implications of our decisions thousands of years down the line. Unfortunately, our form of government is particularly ill-suited to long-term thinking.

If we continue to burn fossil fuels, we will become like Venus. The hell we create won't be in another world or in an other life. It will be right here on Earth.
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Old 11-12-2016, 01:29 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Climate change is real; it's happening now, but some people are just too stupid or willfully blind to see it. You've been sold a line of crap by big oil and the politicians who are in their pockets and always have been. Climate change deniers will only wake up when it's too late, when we've poisoned the environment beyond any reasonable hope of repair within our lifetimes. Try looking into the science of it sometime. It might be very illuminating.
It's going to be a frustrating 4 years for you. Maybe longer.
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Old 11-12-2016, 01:58 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Recognizing that climate change is real is one thing.
Blaming it on the US and expecting US politics to change the global climate is a whole 'nother deal.

Climate change is probably real. The EPA's effect on climate change has obviously been negligible. The Left should recognize that fact.
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Old 11-12-2016, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Climate change is real; it's happening now, but some people are just too stupid or willfully blind to see it. You've been sold a line of crap by big oil and the politicians who are in their pockets and always have been. Climate change deniers will only wake up when it's too late, when we've poisoned the environment beyond any reasonable hope of repair within our lifetimes. Try looking into the science of it sometime. It might be very illuminating.
I don't think that anybody is too blind to know that we have had a global warming period that began when the last global cooling or mini ice age ended. After all, and thanks to global warming, we have arable lands, forests, sea routes, and so on. We humans have no power over nature, so there is no way for us to prevent the end of this global warming period, nor the next global cooling and ice age.

Just keep in mind that you aren't any different than anybody else. You are doing the same things the rest of us do, and are directly benefiting from this period of global warming just like everyone else, which include living in a comfortable shelter, surrounded with products such as lumber, Sheetrock, steel, copper (pipes, wiring, and so on), electrical appliances, lighting, and so on. You are using your computer to post in this forum; right? I imagine that you have some appliance to cool or heat your home. The electricity you use at your home is not generated at the electrical outlet, the water you drink at your home is not just at the spigot, nor at the shower-head. How about the foods you eat? Do you think those foods come from a Star Trek replicator?

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Old 11-12-2016, 02:31 PM
 
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No point in engaging these people, Ray, they don't know a thing about the subject and all the sources they love to quote are in the pockets of those who would benefit by convincing ignorant people that Earth's ever changing climate is something humans can control, if only they give them the money.
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Old 11-12-2016, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Sherman Oaks, CA
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If all of the big nations get together to fight climate change, we can achieve real results. And even if it supposedly isn't human influenced (which I don't believe for a minute), so what? What do we lose if we try? Eventually we're going to have to wean ourselves off fossil fuels, anyway, because they're finite. Ever hear of "peak oil"? Supplies don't last forever.
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