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Now let's see you do better, since state of healthcare pre-ACA basically was tens of millions uninsured, insurance plans that covered little, and people going bankrupt from their healthcare bills.
Blah, blah, blah. All the ACA did was essentially paper over the high cost of health care with taxpayer money.
The ACA caused health care costs to surge. Only the upper middle class could pay for the skyrocketing insurance premiums, and it is breaking their wallets. This cost the people billions of dollars, for expanded Medicaid, and the new ACA federal subsidy.
The poor and lower middle class could not afford health care under the "Affordable" Health Care Act. The middle class were forced to go on the expanded Medicaid for the first time in their lives, and other middle class has to accept charity from their fellow citizens in the form of ACA subsidies.
So if your measure of "success" is how many more people were owed their health and welfare to federal government handouts, via increased taxes, then the ACA was a brilliant success.
We could have held a figurative gun to people's heads before 2010, by having the federal government demand every person must buy health care insurance, and magically, everyone would be getting health care insurance, or be punished.
The measure of a good health care system is anyone at or near the middle class can afford their own health care expenses, whether its thru employed insurance, self-insured, thru a health care coop, health savings accounts and/or any mix of these things.
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And all GOP alternatives are just going back to this; tens of millions with less coverage than they have today.
Clearly you do not know that in any plan anyone has come up with so far, millions will still choose to go without health care insurance. Even under the ACA we still had the ugly specter with the same numbers of uninsured Americans.
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Healthcare coats have grown, but they were growing before as well and would have grown even without ACA, so I call it roughly a wash.
Like i said, all the ACA did was attempt to wall paper over everything with billions in taxpayer dollars.
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ACA has its faults; conservative legacy on healthcare policy is EVEN WORSE.
That is a tired excuse, to just paint with a broad brush and claim anything anyone without a (D) after their name comes up with "would be even worse." Let's not stoop to that, shall we?
Clearly you do not know that in any plan anyone has come up with so far, millions will still choose to go without health care insurance. Even under the ACA we still had the ugly specter with the same numbers of uninsured Americans.
You're LYING.
Lots if real statistical data that shows the number of uninsured dropped a lot from ACA. You're spreading fake news.
And every analysis by CBO shows big increases in number of uninsured projected.
Let's not be stupid; people don't CHOOSE to forego health insurance. They forego it because they won't be able to afford it.
No doubt costs have risen, and ACA has flaws. Pop quiz - tell me how GOP proposals will lower the cost of healthcare. I haven't heard any. All you'll do is slash Medicaid, allow insurance companies to con people, and give certain people some tax breaks. Net reduction in coverage, rich do ok but that's it, no reduction in costs.
Great that you find lying acceptable Great standards/morals to have
Where did I say I find lying acceptable? Oh, yeah: I DIDN'T.
Do you think Trump is the only president in the history of the USA that LIES??
They ALL lie. All the time. About all sorts of stuff.
It's threads like this that reinforce how idiotic people become when they support a candidate at all costs. Suddenly their guy is an angel, and the *enemy* is the devil.
But BOTH candidates are doing the exact. same. thing. All of them lie.
Then compare 0bama. (His lies actually harmed the citizens, while empowering non citizens. "If you like your doctor".......)
Show me the links. (and not a LW "comic" like Jimmy Kimmel, you take that crap serious?)
Then we can talk. Until then, this is just another unsubstantiated pile of stink posted by a LWNJ.
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President Donald Trump has told nearly six times more lies in the first 10 months of his presidency than former President Barack Obama did in his entire 8-year term, according to data collected and published Thursday in the New York Times. How the Quantity of Trump's Lies Compares to Obama's: NYT | Fortune
Obama-
ISIS is the jv team
each family will save 2,500$
shovel ready jobs
cities with the strictest gun laws are the safest
the world is a more tranquil place
it was a rogue office in Cincinnati
Attack was caused by a video
then with Obama's approval, eric holder, who headed the justice dept, falsified a warrant and judge shopped to spy on journalists
Trump - the crowd was this big!
Notice that Obama lied about real important stuff, vs trump exaggerating the size of a crowd.
How the Quantity of Trump's Lies Compares to Obama's
President Donald Trump has told nearly six times more lies in the first 10 months of his presidency than former President Barack Obama did in his entire 8-year term, according to data collected and published Thursday in the New York Times How the Quantity of Trump's Lies Compares to Obama's: NYT | Fortune
This thread is another example of how hysterical the libs are.
But mostly how conned most right wingers are.
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Great standards/morals to have
Lets talk numbers...
