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Old 11-23-2016, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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So you agree that states can refuse to enforce laws that are of federal jurisdiction? You are going to defend states doing that?
States should be able to, but in the real world today they can't. Do you support the 8 states that say they'll refuse to enforce federal firearm laws? If the state can refuse to enforce immigration and drug laws why not firearm laws too? Clearly very few liberals wouldn't.
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Old 11-23-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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Interesting and thought provoking article in The New Yorker this morning. No quotes. Brief article, easy to digest.

Post-Election, Liberals Invoke States
The New Yorker?
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Old 11-23-2016, 07:51 AM
 
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States should be able to, but in the real world today they can't.
They can.

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Do you support the 8 states that say they'll refuse to enforce federal firearm laws? If the state can refuse to enforce immigration and drug laws why not firearm laws too? Clearly very few liberals wouldn't.
You have made the common mistake of so many in jumping to conclusions based upon your own biases. I fully support our 2nd Amendment rights, even beyond the courts.

The people should be able to own anything they want because in part that is why the 2nd was enacted. If the federal government tries to resist that, I absolutely support those who will resist that.
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Old 11-23-2016, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Post-election, liberals invoke states’ rights
Currently liberals favor States rights on legal pot, and immigration (they say it's federal issue), while Trump supporters say States must enforce immigration as well, because "all laws must be enforced". Time will tell is same thinking applies to legal marijuana. Will they crack down?
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:09 AM
 
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What would Lincoln the hero of progressives say?

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Don't know. Take a stab at it.
Ready the troops!
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:27 AM
 
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Perhaps in would be productive for these Mayors and The New Yorker to actually READ the US Constitution. It's not that long OR difficult to understand.

Reading the relevant US Supreme Court decisions would be helpful also.
I could say "see you in Court", but it won't even get to Court.

Congress makes the Laws, the President implements the Laws.
Leftist magazines & Mayors don't get to Trump the Law.
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Perhaps in would be productive for these Mayors and The New Yorker to actually READ the US Constitution. It's not that long OR difficult to understand.
Which part of the Constitution do you find relevant in this case?
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Old 11-23-2016, 08:48 AM
 
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The opposite argument can be used also. I agree that this issue shows major hypocrisy on both sides.
Unless they want to to take an axe to the Federal government and hand full responsibility to the states for both funding and implementation it's not even remotely close to the same thing.
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Old 11-23-2016, 09:06 AM
 
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Unless they want to to take an axe to the Federal government and hand full responsibility to the states for both funding and implementation it's not even remotely close to the same thing.
Their is a legitimate argument that immigration is Constitutionally a Federal issue. If it's a Federal issue then as far as states rights goes, a state official is under no obligation to enforce it.

The problem with Obama is that he is also Constitutionally required to enforce the laws of the country and he has refused.
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Old 11-23-2016, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Their is a legitimate argument that immigration is Constitutionally a Federal issue. If it's a Federal issue then as far as states rights goes, a state official is under no obligation to enforce it.

The problem with Obama is that he is also Constitutionally required to enforce the laws of the country and he has refused.
Being a Libertarian, I'm huge on state's rights. That said, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Shouldn't take long for a case to make it to federal court testing whether local law enforcement has any legal obligation to enforce federal laws, cooperate with federal law enforcement, etc. I could see a case being made finding the City of Berkeley or the State of California guilty of obstruction or aiding and abetting a wanted felon or something like that.

Legal marijuana is pretty much guaranteed to go to federal court as well. In both cases, I'm on the opposite side from Trump, but I would like to see some finality on both issues. I don't really like living in limboland wondering how it's all going to play out. Illegals shouldn't have to live with the uncertainty either. Kick em out or give them legal status, but enough of doing neither already!
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