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Old 11-28-2016, 12:57 PM
 
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The exact same is true of Indians, Eskimos, Aleutians, and members of other U.S. aboriginal tribes, but they had to have an exception made in our Nationality Law to give them birthright citizenship. Anchor babies have been given NO such exception in our Federal Nationality Law.
Well the same situation happened to me too. I needed an Act of Congress to get US citizenship. However, I was born in a territory. The Natives belong to a sovereign tribe and needed laws passed too just like Puerto Rico did. These children are not Natives recognized by the US, not diplomatic officers, and born in one of the 50 states in the US or a territory tbat be a law granting US citizenship. There is no issue. Now for parents coming here illegally in the first place, that's different. But like jg or not, the kids are legitimate US citizens

 
Old 11-28-2016, 12:58 PM
 
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So why is an "anchor baby" even a thing if anchor babies have no right to US citizenship? Why are people even discussing it?
That is the million dollar question. How is this even an issue in the first place? If the law is what he says it is?
 
Old 11-28-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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So why is an "anchor baby" even a thing if anchor babies have no right to US citizenship? Why are people even discussing it?
Because the Fed Gov hasn't been abiding by or enforcing the law, exactly as they've screwed us with the tens of millions of illegals still present in this country.
 
Old 11-28-2016, 01:15 PM
 
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Well the same situation happened to me too. I needed an Act of Congress to get US citizenship. However, I was born in a territory. The Natives belong to a sovereign tribe and needed laws passed too just like Puerto Rico did.
Native Americans, Eskimos, Aleutians, and other U.S. aboriginals born in the U.S. have U.S. birth certificates, yet still needed an exception made for them in our Nationality Law to give them birthright U.S. citizenship. Anchor babies have been given no such exception.

Why are you talking about territories which are covered under completely different subsections of the Nationality Law? Recall that the exception made for Native Americans, Eskimos, Aleutians, and other U.S. aboriginals in subsection (b) requires birth in the U.S.

Birth in the territories isn't covered until subsection (e):

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
 
Old 11-28-2016, 01:16 PM
 
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Because the Fed Gov hasn't been abiding by or enforcing the law, exactly as they've screwed us with the tens of millions of illegals still present in this country.
I'm all for rewriting the citizenship law so that one parent has to be a US citizen in order for a baby to obtain citizenship.

However, I understand why USA born = citizenship is such a touchy issue. Illegals will still be moving here regardless of the law (but maybe at a slower rate). What happens when you have 2 or 3 generations of illegals who have only ever lived in the US, act American, educated in American schools, and speak English? This happens frequently with Roma in some countries. They can NEVER integrate 100% because they are always seen as outcasts. Where would you deport these people?

Obviously stopping illegal immigration in its tracks is a surefire way to eliminate "anchor babies" being a thing, but the logistics of finding and deporting millions of illegals is a VERY difficult, almost impossible process.
 
Old 11-28-2016, 01:21 PM
 
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I'm all for rewriting the citizenship law so that one parent has to be a US citizen in order for a baby to obtain citizenship.

However, I understand why USA born = citizenship is such a touchy issue. Illegals will still be moving here regardless of the law (but maybe at a slower rate). What happens when you have 2 or 3 generations of illegals who have only ever lived in the US, act American, educated in American schools, and speak English?
You deport them because they are in the country illegally.

What happens if one commits bank robbery, another federal offense. If caught, do they not go to prison? Yes, they do. Same reason why illegals should be deported.
 
Old 11-28-2016, 01:35 PM
 
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You deport them because they are in the country illegally.

What happens if one commits bank robbery, another federal offense. If caught, do they not go to prison? Yes, they do. Same reason why illegals should be deported.
Here's where it becomes even more of a disaster. Where do you deport them to? If they've been here for 2 or 3 generations, it becomes a logistical nightmare.
 
Old 11-28-2016, 01:36 PM
 
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So why is an "anchor baby" even a thing if anchor babies have no right to US citizenship? Why are people even discussing it?
What if I make a false accusation of you, persist, get other people to believe it to the point where more do than not, where the most accept it as fact?

Will that make it true? Why discuss it if it is wrong? No point in combating the lie because it is false? You can ignore it and it will all go away right? Is that what you are saying?
 
Old 11-28-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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Here's where it becomes even more of a disaster. Where do you deport them to? If they've been here for 2 or 3 generations, it becomes a logistical nightmare.
Are you saying we have multi generations of illegal invaders living here and they are of a massive amount that this issue would be a major one?

So what you are saying is massive illegals entering this country is a problem?

Interesting, who would have thunk it?
 
Old 11-28-2016, 01:41 PM
 
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Here's where it becomes even more of a disaster. Where do you deport them to? If they've been here for 2 or 3 generations, it becomes a logistical nightmare.
No, it doesn't. You deport them to their legal country of residence.
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